SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
893 SaaS: How Zapier Passed 60k Paid Seats and $20m in ARR
03 Jan 2018
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc.
Chapter 2: What led to the founding of Zapier?
are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everyone. My guest today is Wade Foster. He is the CEO and co-founder of Zapier. And we'll start right there. Wade, are you ready to take us to the top? Let's do it. Good.
So is there any other, I mean, your bio is short and simple, which I love, but is there any other context you should have around kind of your life or your story or did you start this right out of college? So I started Zapier one year out of college.
So I had a job for about a year and a half and then, you know, ended up starting Zapier based on some freelance work that I was doing with my co-founder at the time.
Chapter 3: How does Zapier automate tasks between apps?
He kind of realized some of the freelance work we were doing was these integrations and was like, hey, we can we can build a product around this.
OK, tell me that story, because I have to say a lot of the most successful SaaS companies, they come out of like an agency or people doing freelance work, realizing that every client they work with has the same damn problem and they build software for it. Yeah, that was the gist. We had built like a PayPal QuickBooks integration. We built like a WordPress Salesforce thing.
And Brian figured, hey, we can abstract this, build an off-the-shelf tool that lets people connect this app to that app without having to hire people to work with all the underlying APIs to build this stuff. And he messaged me on iChat one day and I was like, yeah, that is like a no-brainer thing. That should totally exist. Were you both engineers? Yeah.
Chapter 4: What pricing model does Zapier use for its services?
So he's definitely more of an engineer than I am. I'm capable, but not competent. I like, that's a shirt that we need to print for all business people. All right. Capable, not competent. Very good. And what year was this? What year did you launch? This was in 2011 when we started. The launch happened in 2012.
Chapter 5: How does Zapier compete with larger SaaS companies?
So it took us about six months to get like a basic version ready, basically. Okay. And give us, for people that haven't heard about Zapier and what you do, tell us what the company does. Yeah, so it's a web automation platform. We hook into about 900 different apps and let people set up automations between them.
So tools we hook into, Slack, Trello, MailChimp, Google Apps, Dropbox, that sort of thing. And the types of things you can do are stuff like, hey, when I get a new sale via PayPal, alert me in Slack and put my new customer in my customer's MailChimp list. That's a great use case. And pricing wise, how do you do it? Is this kind of a per API call kind of thing or is it more SaaS based or what?
Chapter 6: What challenges does a remote team face at Zapier?
So Zapier is a freemium product. So you get started for free for basic usage. And then as your volume takes up, you'll move into a subscription that starts at 20 bucks a month. Oh, interesting. Okay. And I imagine we could talk about all kinds of different cohorts that you've analyzed, whether it's the free folks or you probably have enterprise users as well.
But I want to try and avoid that just for time. What's the average paying customer paying you per month, would you say? About 20 bucks a month. About 20.
Chapter 7: How has Zapier achieved significant growth?
Okay, good. All right. So that's helpful to understand. So a quick question I've got for you. So this space, I recently had both the CEOs of Segment and the CEO of SnapLogicon, which they've raised whatever for better or for worse, loads of money, probably way more than what they need. That can be obviously an advantage for you because now they have to deal with all this capital.
But how do you compete with those guys? Yeah, I think they're both tackling actually a little bit different spaces. So Zapier's real core user is the small business owner who is dealing with all these different apps. They don't have engineering resources.
Chapter 8: What strategies does Zapier use for customer retention?
They don't have IT resources that they can lean on. Instead, they're like, how do I do this thing with PayPal, Salesforce, MailChimp? I got all this stuff and I have too much work to do. And I don't really like I need to build some of these integrations to get them going. And so Zapier is a tool they turn to.
They can set up in five minutes these rules, these automations and get back to the core pieces of their business, which is a little bit different than something like Segment, which is, you know, more of an enterprise analytics tool that helps like bigger companies take in huge, massive amounts of volumes of events that they're tracking on their websites and things like that.
So a little bit different markets there. Have you had acquisition talks with Segment or SnapLogic? No. None at all, really? No. Interesting. Okay. All right. Tell us more. Kind of give us the update currently of the company. What's the team size at? So Zapier today is about 110 people all across the world. We're 100% distributed team, which is a bit unique. Yeah.
I have to give a shout out real quick because I'm producing all the podcasts at entrepreneur and you gave a great episode with Jason Pfeiffer, the editor in chief at entrepreneur on his podcast called problem solvers, where you talked about challenges with a totally remote team. Maybe touch on one of those challenges real quick. Yeah.
I think, uh, you know, there's a few things that are really basic problems. One, you got to have good internet access. So like, that's like baseline everyone. It's like, it's not easy to work it. Yeah. If you're going to work at Zapier, you have to have good internet, just period. Um, There's other funny things like that we've learned along the way. So stuff like compliance can be a challenge.
So government agencies aren't, we're used to working with companies that are across so many different municipalities. So we've gotten a lot better at that. Are you mostly us or are you international, like international? We're international as well. So you have to get a lot better at that.
Um, and you know, we have along the way, but it's not as straightforward as like, you know, outsource it to this agency. They'll handle it all. And like, no problems. Like even they are like, wait, what? How are you set up? And you're like, well, it works like this and this. So like that kind of stuff is funny.
Then like from an internal standpoint, you have to work hard on like your hiring process, your communication standards. You have to set up kind of workplace etiquette around communication to make sure folks understand like, hey, this is how we pull off working remotely. If we don't do it this way, things are going to fall through the cracks. Yep.
Now, have you bootstrapped this or did you guys decide to raise some capital? We did do a small round when we were first getting started. So we went through Y Combinator and then raised, I mean, what today is a modest seed round, about a million dollars in September 2012. But since then, we've grown profitably and on customer revenue. Totally organically. Yep.
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