Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is the Top Entrepreneurs Podcast, where founders share how they started their companies and got filthy rich or crash and burn. Each episode features revenue numbers, customer counts, and other insider information that creates business news headlines. We went from a couple hundred thousand dollars to 2.7 million. I had no money when I started the company.
It was $160 million, which is the size of many IPOs. We're a bit strapped. We have like 22,000 customers. With over 5 million downloads in a very short amount of time, major outlets like Inc. are calling us the fastest growing business show on iTunes. I'm your host, Nathan Latka, and here's today's episode. Hello, everybody. My guest today is Noman Siddiqui.
He's the CEO of CloudLead, formerly ElistGuy. He's a motivated tech savvy and results-driven business leader with a thirst for achieving accelerated revenue growth and a diverse client base. He's been involved in assisting SMEs with headhunting executive search and building comprehensive B2B databases through outsourcing. All right, Noman, are you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely.
Okay, so what is CloudLead and how do you make money? What's your business model? CloudBit is basically top of the funnel data research SaaS company that helps B2B software companies, marketing agencies, and any company that has the marketing department with finding accurate B2B contact and account database to fuel their sales and marketing team with their outbound processes.
Okay, and what do you charge per month on average? It depends. It varies from customer to customer. Some customers, let's say, you know, We don't have any contractual pricing model. It's more on the pay-as-you-go side where our customers pay for, let's say, as low as 500 leads per month.
And some of our best customers pay us on an average $2,000 per month for buying as low as 2,000 leads per month. So it depends from customers to customers on an average. one customer pays us $2,000 per month on average. Okay, and how many customers have you grown to total? So currently we have 40 full-time customers. How many? 40, four zero. Got it, 40. So you've grown to 40 full-time customers.
So you're doing around 80 grand per month. Is that accurate? That's right, yes. Okay, and what's the history here? When did you launch the company? It was launched in 2011 under the name of ElastGuy, which we are trying to rebrand as CloudLead effectively this year. I started off as a freelancer myself, and I was working for an executive research firm from the US.
And primarily, my job was more on the sales development side. And my job was to identify contacts as well as do the email campaigns, as well as follow up by phone calls. And I realized that there was a huge gap between the sales and database side. And I was basically spending 60% of my time identifying contacts from the web. And that's when I decided to start a data company.
That's when I decided to actually start as a freelancer first and see what the market is like. And so where are you in terms of the tech? In terms of the tech, what's behind the platform? Are you just paying for kind of Clearbit and Full Contact to enrich your web scrapers and then feeding that Excel list back to your clients?
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Chapter 2: What is CloudLead and how does it generate revenue?
7% of the company. 7%? Yes. Okay, interesting. And what is the, I mean, give me a sense of growth rate. So you're doing about 80 grand per month today, December 2016, or sorry, December 2017. What were you doing a year ago? A year ago, it was 40 to 45,000 per month and close to half a million dollars a year. Okay, sorry, you said 40,000 a month? That's right, $40,000 to $45,000 a month.
And what's driven most of the growth? You've doubled year over year. How are you landing new customers? Okay, so as of now, in the last seven years, we've significantly grown from referrals only. So let's say, you know, people change jobs all the time. So we typically work very closely with sales and marketing professionals, head of marketing or head of sales from the company.
So every time they changed their jobs, they took my contact information with them. And, you know, that's how we grew with them. And it was more like a referral-based network where we had leads coming in to us versus we going out. Until, you know, this year when we started rebranding with you know, uh, with a new name of cloud lead. And we have hired a team of sales development.
We're trying to build a team of sales development reps and, you know, scaling up on their own, our outbound processes. And are you, I mean, what are you, you know, considering you're scaling your team here and your growth, or what are you spending right now to acquire a customer?
Chapter 3: How does CloudLead's pricing model work?
As of now, it's, it's next to nothing. It's little to nothing, very minimal amount of money. We have, We're allocating budget for next year, starting of January 2018, where we plan to invest on trade shows, exhibitions, conferences, meetups, and outbound prospecting efforts, as well as a little bit of inbound.
Many of you know I am buying companies that I really, really like, and there's no quicker way for me to get to the bottom of what is happening on that website than using this tool called NathanLaka.com forward slash hotjar, H-O-T-J-A-R. It basically will give me a recording. Okay.
When anybody lands on the website, I'll give me a recording of where the viewer is scrolling and obviously does the basic stuff like heat maps too. But I learned so much about where the users are scrolling and clicking on my site using that tool. It helps me increase conversion rates, make more money and grow those businesses faster.
And we'll have to see what happens with those businesses, but I'm buying them. I'm buying them very quick and I'm using nathanlaca.com forward slash hot jar for all of my website analytics. You can too. I work with them. It's totally free. You can go to nathanlatka.com forward slash hot jar. No credit card required. Again, use it as much as you want. nathanlatka.com forward slash hot jar.
I'll see you there. So right now you're, you don't have any sales people, no marketing people, and you're not doing any paid spend. No, we do have two marketing people and one salesperson. Okay, so you do have a cost. You add up their salaries over the past 12 months and then divide the new customers into those salaries. I would say it would roughly be $12,000 to $15,000 per year. Okay.
So, so all together, I think you just said their salaries are 12 to 15 grand per year. So if I multiply times three on the high side, that's 45 grand a year. And you know, you have 40 customers. I assume what, maybe you got, you doubled. So let's say you got 20 last year. So 20 into the 45,000, you could say what you're spending, call it, what is that? About 2000 bucks to acquire a customer.
Um, closely, roughly you could say that. Yes. Well, the reason I'm asking is you raised capital and you want to scale. So, I mean, how do you think about customer acquisition costs in terms of scaling your team and scaling your paid spend channels? I'm sorry, I lost you there. Can you please repeat that again? Yeah.
So, I mean, I'm asking these CAC questions to better understand how you're thinking about growth. You know, you're going to do more spend next year. You're trying to bring on new people. I mean, are you not looking at CAC? Yes, we're looking at that.
And then for the next year, we I have aggressive plans of maybe setting up a company in the US by summer next year, where I want to go live with the sales development team in the US versus here in Dubai, here in Karachi or Dubai, because I feel if you hire a sales team in the US, they would better understand the importance of data versus, you know, versus hiring a sales team here.
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Chapter 4: What is the history and evolution of CloudLead?
But there are very large venture capital firms and the largest private equity firms paying me a lot of money for my database at getlatka.com. which is basically B2B, SaaS, revenue numbers, things like that. And they're going, Nathan, you should really invest here.
You're the only one with revenue numbers and customer count numbers, but you should build out other things that Mattermark and DataFox and PitchBook have. And a lot of them, like PitchBook, I know, use a massive team over in India to basically scrape the web. They have some AI and they pay for other data sources. I'd love to talk to you about doing some kind of JV in the United States.
That's a very good question. I mean, And that's a very good one. Um, yes, I know there's a lot of noise out there in this space and I don't know, um, based on my past experience of raising money from friend and family and losing 7% of the company to them. Um, I realized that, and then of course reading about past experiences from different companies have raised money.
I think it's a very tricky one because, um, when you raise money, not only losing the company, you're actually losing your... Yeah, no, man, sorry. I wasn't saying you should raise capital. I was saying I'm interested in potentially partnering with you and launching something like this in the U.S. Oh, okay, fair enough. Absolutely, that sounds like a good plan.
That sounds like a wonderful opportunity, but we have to look at the downside or maybe the cons first versus launching something in partnership in the U.S. because... I don't know, we have to look at multiple sides of this. Well, why do you feel like you need a partner at all in the US? Why not just do it yourself? Why work with me at all?
That's because there's a financial side attached to Karachi or even Dubai. When we talk about the financial side, the biggest challenge that I've faced in the past is, let's say if I call up a big company for working with us and I tell them that, hey guys, I'm based in Karachi, Pakistan. And I have a front office in Dubai. I immediately lose customers because there's a trust deficit.
The media perception about Pakistan is totally different than in the U.S. Generally, big companies and enterprise customers are more comfortable sending money or working with companies that are more physically based in the U.S. So that's the challenge, and that's where I want to address this issue. Yeah, no, man, that's what I'm saying. We could potentially do something special together.
You know, I have enterprises paying me in the ranges of millions of dollars for different kinds of contracts I'm signing right now. This is a space that I'm definitely going to get into. The reason it's opportunistic I'm talking to you is, you know, first thing I look to try and partner with the company. And I like you and you follow me. So that makes me feel good. Right.
But if I can't find a partner to partner with, I'll build it myself or I'll just buy a company. You know, this space is very crowded. There's a lot of companies in the space. So as you look for a way to go into the U.S. market, you know a bit about me because you listen and, you know, you said you've listened. How would we work together? I mean, where would I bring the most value, do you believe?
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Chapter 5: What technology underpins CloudLead's platform?
Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying right now? Yes, I follow Satya Nadella from Microsoft and Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook. Number three, besides your own, what's your favorite online tool? Gmail, Google. I use it for everything almost. Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night? 9.5 hours every night. And what's your situation?
Married, single, do you have kids? I'm married, I have two kids. And how old are you? I am 31. 31. Last question. No, man, take us back 11 years. What do you wish your 20 year old self knew? If I could turn back time, I would probably go back and travel much more than I do right now, what I've done in the past. There you guys have it from Noman.
He would have traveled more, launched his company many years ago in 2011, since renamed it Cloud Lead. He's got a team of 68 between Pakistan and Dubai. They're helping over 40 customers, paying about two grand a month. So they're doing about 80 grand per month in December 2017 in revenue. About a year ago in December 2016, they were only at 40 grand, so good growth.
Fully weighted CAC is around two grand. Healthy economics looking to expand in the U.S. soon. And he recently sold about 7% of the company for 150 grand, actually near the start of the company, looking to scale now. Noman, thank you for taking us to the top. Welcome. Thank you, Nathan, for having me on this podcast.