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Airtory Did $120k Last Month, Profitable with ad creation and management tool
16 Aug 2023
Chapter 1: What is Airtory and how did it start?
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Chapter 2: How does Airtory generate revenue?
He made called a million bucks off that deal, learned a lot about equity cap table and eventually joined and built his own company called airtory.com launched in 2017. They're helping advertisers with a platform that helps them manage ads, produce ads. They white label to ad agencies who then have end clients. They make money off SaaS services and utilization fees doing about $120,000 a
a month right now in revenue, up from call it like 80 or 90 grand a month just a year ago. So nice, nice growth.
Chapter 3: Who are Airtory's main customers and what do they pay?
They're profitable today. They've raised just 400,000 bucks in their last seed round at a 10 million post-money valuation, growing profitably, which we loved. Hey folks, my guest today is Julian Frockman. He's previously founded perk.com, a mobile loyalty and rewards platform, which was acquired by Rhythm One and ended up at Taptica or Tremor.
He's now focused on improving the lives of agencies and publishers by enabling them to quickly and easily create rich media and CTV ad units at scale. He's doing this at airtory.com. Julian, you ready to take us to the top? Sure, let's go. All right.
Chapter 4: What growth metrics is Airtory currently achieving?
Talk to me a little bit about a customer that's paying you today. Can you share their use case? Sure. One of our kind of most recognizable customers is the Arena Group. And so they own Sports Illustrated. They own Braid, Men's Journal, different periodicals like that.
And so for them, essentially, they use us because we're able to work with them to create custom ad unit templates that allow them to create kind of an enhanced experience on their websites that perform more highly for their advertisers.
And based off of our templated approach, they're able to have a much higher performance and for them charge a higher CPM, which is a higher cost per thousand impressions they deliver. And what does a company like Arena Group pay you on average per month or year to use the technology? Um, so for them, it's, it's kind of a mix of CPM.
And so for us, like, as I mentioned, when I, uh, when I kind of signed up with you, it's a mix of SAS services and, uh, utilization.
Chapter 5: What challenges did the founder face in raising capital?
So for them, I would say we're probably at like five to 8,000 per month. It's not always the same. I would say they're a little bit higher than average. Um, okay. So average might be something more like $3,000 or $4,000 per month combined across SaaS services and utilities. Utilization, sorry. Yeah. I mean, we have some whales, right?
We have one customer that I can't mention necessarily that's $60,000 to $70,000 per month, right? But I would say on average, it's like $4,000 to $8,000. Do you think you can get that biggest... We won't name them, but can you get that biggest customer over a million dollar mark here in the next 12 or 24 months in terms of ACVs?
Chapter 6: How does the founder's previous experience influence Airtory?
I think we can, but I think the interesting thing about our space is we're a tool they utilize based off of their ability to be effective on sales for themselves. So they happen to be a really effective sales-driven organization. And so they're growing 20%, 30%, 40% per year. And so they, on their own, will grow to that amount, likely. But it's not necessarily based off of anything that we do.
We work with them. We help build up. Well, you have to set your pricing structure up in a way that captures the upside as they're growing. I mean, that's a key moment here. Founders mess it up all the time. So how are you up?
Chapter 7: What are the future plans for Airtory's growth?
If they grow, it could be by number of seats. It could be by some other number of ad campaign per month metric. I mean, what is the thing you're upselling against? Well, so, again, we're not like a pure SaaS platform. I know, but utilization is the same thing, right? So utilization might be number of ad units.
Chapter 8: What is the founder's advice for aspiring entrepreneurs?
What is the utilization metric you're selling against? Impression volume, honestly. Okay, there we go. So it's impression volume. So if they grow themselves from a billion impressions per year to a billion two impressions per year, they're naturally going to pay you 20% more. Yeah, exactly. Yes, that is 100% the case.
So we already have that in place because naturally based off volume, we charge a certain impression CPM. So that's what we have keyed in. For us, we kind of pride ourselves on trying to be not as SaaS oriented, which I know is like...
Not quite the focus of this podcast, but I see a lot of companies in the ad tech martech space trying to be SaaS when they're not, which I think is long term a mistake. And they do this because they think they can get better multiples. Obviously, that may have made more sense in the previous economic world that we lived in versus today.
But some of the other players, they lock customers into annual agreements and monthly minimums and things like that that make the companies look more like SaaS. They can get those types of multiples if they raise or if they sell. But at the end of the day, it's all based off of volume of impressions. We're all just kind of like technology that people use to deliver ad impressions. Yeah.
So why have SaaS at all? You said SaaS services and utilization. Why not kill your SaaS business? Um, so we, we have like just a taste of SAS and so it's white labeling, right?
And so if a customer wants to not present the air Tory brand or any of our other brands upfront when they're delivering the ads, either on the preview side, or if they want to have a API access for advanced reporting or advanced creative, uh, interactivity on kind of their front end side, then that's something we'll charge either $1,000 or $1,500 per month for.
And so that's basically our only SaaS. So just to be clear, this would be like an agency that manages ad spend for other customers. If they want to show the process to their customers, they might pay you to white label air, Tori? Yeah. Or like they built out an ad and they don't want it to say preview.eritory.com. They want it to say preview.xyz.com. Yeah.
So this would be like AdToro Media, some of these companies you list on your website, Scroll Media. Yep. Exactly. I see. I see. Okay. Interesting. Put this on a timeline for us. When did you launch this business? Six or seven years ago. Okay. So what? That would have been 2017? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, about. Okay. So you get going in 2017 and have you bootstrapped it or you decided to raise capital?
So we raised friends and family and friendly angels. So we've raised 750K total. Half of that was at 2.5 million safe and half of that was at a $10 million safe. What year was the 2.5? 2.5 was during the first like two years. Okay, so about 2018? Yeah, 2017, 2018. And how much did you raise on the 2.5? So like 400, 500? 375 or so. 375, 400. Okay. Okay.
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