SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
EP 562: Illumineto Raised $700k raised, Passes 100 Customers with DC Team with CEO Nick Caruso
06 Feb 2017
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Coming up tomorrow morning, you'll learn from Devin, who founded Insight Pool, which is just nearing 300 grand in monthly recurring revenue, helping 100 big brands find influencers. Good morning, guys. Nathan Ladka here. Our guest today is Nick Caruso. He's one of the CEO and founder of Illuminato. And specifically, more about his background quickly before we jump in.
He was vice president of sales in an eastern U.S. and Canada at Notable Solutions. He was there for many years, about six years. Before that, he was at COFAX as a federal sales manager and before that, a project manager there. at a large company and also previous to that between 1998 and 2002 served the country in the United States Marine Corps as a captain. Very good.
So Nick, thank you for your service. Are you ready to take us to the top? Sounds fantastic. I'm ready. All right, good. Tell us first what Illuminato does and how you generate revenue. So we're a SaaS company. We charge a monthly subscription and we're specifically focused on helping sales rep get more business. And tell us how you do that. Tell us about your last paying customer. Sure.
So I've been in the technology field for about 20 years now. I've been a sales professional for the last 15 years. I've used a bunch of tools out there, mainly CRM systems like Salesforce.com, etc., And during my career, I didn't really find a tool that really helped me not only get more leads, but more specifically, win more deals. So we basically just focus on helping people get those leads.
But we really focus on once you've got that customer, how can you convert that customer into a win? And we've got a very unique business model where we're focusing on the individual sales rep, not the actual company themselves. Makes good sense. What, what do you, what do you, again, tell me specifically though, like what's the name of the company that just most recently signed up?
Um, I, we have a lot of companies that compete with each other, so I'm not going to give any sort of name companies, but, um, we have lots of fortune 100, um, sales reps within those companies. Again, we don't focus on the actual logo account itself. It's the actual individual sales rep at those accounts taking out their own credit card and paying for the service.
Okay, that's what I was going to ask you. So who's actually paying? It's the actual person. This is not like a business expense. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. We've just been out for about six months now. And our go-to-market strategy is a bottoms-up approach.
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Chapter 2: What is Illumineto and how does it generate revenue?
And we also had about five, well, specifically five other angel investors ranging anywhere from a small amount of money to several hundred thousand dollars. All folks in DC? All folks in DC, all folks that previously knew us in the past and were absolutely sure of our success. That's good. So three co-founders when you launched, what's the team size today?
Um, we've got a dedicated team of four people. That's a relatively small. And we, if revenue per employee is high, man, you'd rather have no employees, right? Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. So, uh, you know, like any startup, we're doing what it takes to, uh, uh, to be successful and keep the business going.
So keeping it a relatively small-sized team and working with contractors for other things. And what is the... So you have a bunch of different kind of pricing plans. Just for clarity's sake, let's just talk about average. What's the average kind of that a customer is paying you per month? Average is $30 per user per month. Okay.
So to get MRR, can I take 1,000 users times 30 to get about 30 grand in MRR today? Out of those 1,000, some of them are free. So it's a freemium model that we have. So I'm not going to disclose right now what that conversion rate is. But I can tell you that we're profitable at this point. So we're breaking even profitable. We're able to keep the business going.
And we're extremely excited with the success that we've had. And we've had almost zero marketing to date. And so it's a completely viral growth pattern. And we're actually intentionally not trying to grow too fast. Uh, although six months is forever in a startup, uh, we still want to perfect the products and still get that word of mouth, that viral growth model. Well, where are you guys at Nick?
Give us some sense of size. I thought when I asked how many customers you had, you said a thousand, but it sounds like those are a mix of free and paying customers and you don't want to give up that conversion rate, which is fine. But where are you guys at in terms of general size, in terms of monthly recurring revenue? I mean, are you talking five grand, 10 grand, 20 grand?
I am not prepared to disclose that. Okay. I can tell you, though, that our focus right now, and I think for a lot of startups, is focusing on customer success, focusing on... We're much more interested in getting the customers that are evangelists, that are spreading the word within the organizations, than trying to get a targeted MRR. focused right now.
So, um, I know for a lot of, uh, we're not pursuing VC money right now. So we're not in this. Yeah, Nick, I'm not I'm not assuming you are or that you're desperate or that you're bleeding cash or anything.
I'm just simply I mean, one of the things that's interesting is you said your break even, which is very difficult for a company that raised a bunch of capital pre pre revenue, because that means you're basically what you're saying is, I mean, if you're cash flow positive or you break even, that would be basically saying you still have all that investment in the bank.
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Chapter 3: What unique business model does Illumineto use for customer acquisition?
They were coming in, they were signing up, but they weren't sticking around. And what we found to be much more successful is a viral growth model, which is getting a customer or getting a sales rep at a logo to come in, let's say it's an IBM, an Oracle or whatever, to come and start using the product. And then we have the capability of teams within the product itself.
So you can start inviting team members into using the product. And from there, that's how we get that viral. How do you get the first person at IBM to start using you? Um, it's leveraging our own networks via LinkedIn. It's, um, contacting them directly and then asking our existing users, any sort of references that they have. Got it. Very good. Okay, good.
Let's go into the, uh, the famous five-year, a lot of the other kind of CAC, ARPU, LTV metrics. It sounds like you're so pretty early for some of those. Um, but talk to me about, uh, the famous five-year number one, what's your favorite business book? Um, right now it's built to last. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying right now?
So the one that I, well, what I'm interested in right now is Drew Houston from Dropbox. And why are you focused on him? Just that business model that Dropbox initially had was interesting. So, you know, they weren't doing a lot of advertising. They had more of a viral growth model.
I thought something was interesting regarding their own viral path was they initially were giving dollar discounts to users to do a referral. And they found out that that wasn't working at all. And we've had the exact same experience. If we said, oh, we'll give you $5 off if you refer someone, that didn't really incentivize anybody. So we've had...
some interesting parallels associated with that from that experience. So I found the Dropbox experience to be most parallel to what we're doing. Great. So what, I mean, they often shifted to giving away free storage. What are you giving away for free to drive kind of viral economics?
So we have features within the product that we're giving more of that capability away by, by using the product, by adding those referrals. Got it. Okay. Number three, besides your own, do you have a favorite online tool like acuity scheduling? Not per se an online tool. I'm both a developer as well as a sales professional. So a tool that I found was interesting recently was API.AI.
I think Google acquired them. So it provides natural language processing, artificial intelligence for technologies to do a wide range of things that you can do with them. So, for example, we're looking at building a bot, like a Slack bot, and providing that natural language processing capability. So it's an online tool, but it's for developers.
Number four, yes or no, do you get eight hours of sleep every night? Absolutely no. And what's your situation? You're married, single, do you have kids? Married with kids. Okay, how many? Two. Two little ones. All right, and how old are you, Nick? I am 40. Okay, so last question. Take us back 20 years. What do you wish your 20-year-old self knew? Um... A whole bunch.
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