SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
Is Growing 85% YoY From $5m ARR Fast Enough Considering They've Raised $13m?
08 Jul 2022
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
500 enterprise customers, and we're at around 5 million ARR, around 6 million contracted ARR. You are listening to Conversations with Nathan Latka, where I sit down and interview the top SaaS founders, like Eric Wan from Zoom. If you'd like to subscribe, go to getlatka.com.
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Chapter 2: What is AV over IP and how does it work?
Hey folks, my guest today is John Marshall. He's a CEO and board member at Userful, leading provider of AV over IP solutions for enhanced video communication. He focuses on developing and implementing strategic growth initiatives for the business, launching the company to new markets and expansion through new technology and channel partnerships. He's got over 25 years of experience in the space.
John, you ready to take us to the top? I certainly am. So what is AV over IP? AV over IP is this transition that's occurring where you use to develop AV solutions to in a siloed way. So if you had like a video application in a given room, you only saw it there. You couldn't transport it to elsewhere in the corporation. AV over IP lets you move it around.
Give me an example of that for people listening right now that might have their own offices. Sure. So, for example, if you have a desire to have a video wall that's showing entertainment content, or a better example, in your lobby of your building of your corporation, you walk in the lobby, you've got all kinds of entertainment playing, welcoming your guests to the corporation.
That content probably comes from a server that's in an IT closet. Historically, you'd have had to put the server right next to that video wall. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. So now you can have one central location in your office and put it out to seven different screens on eight different floors and six different venues across your building. Absolutely right. And we used to have an AV department.
Everything's moving to IT. So it's that evolution and that ability to distribute. Very interesting. Okay. And so what are companies paying you on average per month to use this technology? It varies by application.
Right now, our platform supports three different applications, one for control room usage, one for digital signage, and one for meeting rooms, screencasting, different price points for each. But overall, we typically see around $30,000 of ARR per customer. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay. So, and if someone paying 30,000 bucks per year, how many screens are they managing?
Like what's that package probably? Again, it varies because like, you know, you can do many more screens for digital signage. That's not real time. If you're doing a control room, that's mission critical operations. And you're trying to stream high definition, high resolution to that, that very large video wall. Like you might imagine for like NASA's command and control center.
That's a lot more, that's a lot fewer screens because it's higher resolution. I see. Okay, interesting. So it's a combination of number and screens, resolution, and product-based upselling. Absolutely. And number of source devices that you're muxing together. Number of source. Okay, that's what I'm interested in. Are there any other utility-based upsells?
So number of source devices, resolution... So there's a number of other things that you can upsell for, but the model that we typically go for is someone will come to us looking for one application or one solution need, and then we'll sell them the platform with the promise of them being able to expand to those many others, those five, six other use cases.
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Chapter 3: What applications does Userful's platform support?
Okay. But when you're joining, obviously you need upside in this, right? If you're going to be CEO, how much equity did you ask for? I asked for a certain percentage, which has been, as I've proved out the model, as I've converted it to a SaaS model and gotten the product launched and gotten 500 plus customers, my equity position has increased.
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Again, both plural founderpath.com forward slash products forward slash valuations. So you said something like, I'm making these numbers up. Hey, guys, I really want to see a path to me owning 10% of the business. I'm happy to split that up in terms of option grants as we hit revenue targets. And what you're saying is you've sort of earned those option grants as you've grown over time.
Is that the right sort of way to think about it? That's absolutely right. But then also with the round of financing, that new investor comes in and says, hey, you can do even more. There's opportunity for us to give you some additional upside. I see.
So there's an ASAP pool that's being set up and then automatically granting you another chunk out of the ASAP pool just to keep you incentivized long-term. Exactly right. I see. Very interesting. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. What's the total team size today? We're approaching 100 people, and we are in a sales-led model.
So we're heavy on sales and sales engineering as we go out into the field. We've got a pretty decent global footprint. We've got a Europe, Asia, and North America teams. So we're expecting that we'll be able to maintain that growth rate of over 85% for the next three years consistently. So we're pretty enthusiastic about that. Isn't that too slow, though?
I mean, you've chosen to raise money, which means you have to grow faster. 85% is not interesting to these VCs. You've got to be at like 150%, 200% at your stage year over year. Yeah, but I don't think VC is the only financing model that you have to consider. Yeah, but you already raised it. You already raised it. I agree with you, but you already raised it.
Yeah, but as you look forward to where the next financing is going to come from, you can look towards growth equity and private equity. And they have a different model than venture does. And as long as you enter the equation with a vision for having the flexibility and conveying that flexibility to venture and your growth equity, private equity, interested partners, then your model can hold.
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Chapter 4: How did Userful transition from a perpetual license to a SaaS model?
You can throw out five? Absolutely. I'm getting old. Okay. And so what's your situation? Married, single, kids? Single with two Eagle Scouts. Oh, very cool. Okay. And how old are you? I'm 51. Last question. Something you wish you knew when you were 20. I wish I knew to drink more champagne, as W.C. Fields used to say. Celebrate the small moments in life and don't get overwhelmed by the big stuff.
You'll survive.
Chapter 5: What is the current ARR and growth rate of Userful?
Guys, userful.com. If you have a big conference room or a big office with a bunch of different conference rooms, you can install it once and say floor number three, stream to all your conference rooms on floors one, two, three, four, five, video walls, you name it, all from one central location.
He had this vision, joined up with Userful in 2018, raised $13 million to build this product, officially launched in 2020, scaled from $3 million in AR to $5 million in AR over the past 12 months as they look to keep scaling with their team. They've got over 500 enterprise customers, caught 90, 100 folks on the team as they're looking to scale here over the next 12 months.
John, appreciate you taking us to the top. Thank you so much.