SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
LetsChat Helping Outbound Sales Initiate Chat with Prospects Starting with Email
01 Dec 2020
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I would rather have a partner, a flagship account that someone's working with us in that relationship. I think money is secondary at this stage in the company. You just love these people to death. So, I mean, that's just my approach. I think where I want to get to, if you want numbers in five years, I want a million salespeople giving us $25 a month, which is $250 million a month.
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He was born in India, educated in London, and now based in Silicon Valley, building a company called Let's Chat, which is trying to make chat pervasive in sales. He grew AT Systems from zero to 22 million bucks in four years and sold to TMP and Monster. He grew them Personic to zero to 25 million bucks in four years, raised 50 million and sold to Kronos.
He sold patents to Google for sharing as a page ranking mechanism prior to Facebook's like button. So he is in the mix. Ankesh, you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely. All right. So what is Let's Chat and what's your revenue model? Are you pure SaaS? Yes, we are pure SaaS. Let's Chat is basically a messaging platform and it's specifically based for business users.
And if you want to take a subset of that salespeople, I think the problem that we find is chat is not very pervasively used within salespeople and their prospects. So what I mean, is this like an intercom competitor? I guess intercom and drift will be the closest options. I think the difference between intercom and drift is that they're really focused on inbound.
So they sit on websites and there's a chat option on the website. We focus on outbound sales. So a director of SDRs, BDRs, using this one to attach to their emails as they reach out to people. Okay. So they'll send in an out, a cold outbound email from an ABM team might at the bottom, say, click here to chat with me real time. And then boom, it starts a real chat. That's it. You got it.
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Chapter 2: What is Let's Chat and how does it fit into outbound sales?
We're up to a 50 percent. Five zero percent. And what's your what's your percent of open to engage with your chat tool? Ten percent. OK, so is that good or bad? If you take the industry average, it's really good. The actual engagement from what we're hearing is 1% to 2%.
So if you've got organizations that are B2B, SaaS companies are sending them out, they might get somewhere between a 5% to 10% open rate and a 1% to 2% engagement. Engagement and email for those folks would be defined as a reply? Correct. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Or if there's a link or something, like go to the website. So they track all that as well. So it could be a reply.
It could also be an active link. Okay. Now, are you bootstrapping this company or have you raised? I am fully bootstrapping it. Okay, that's good. Now, help me understand what burn looks like today, pre-launch. $5,000 a month.
Chapter 3: How does Let's Chat differentiate itself from competitors like Intercom and Drift?
Okay, so fair. I mean, this is great. This is nimble. What's the team? How many people? Two people. Okay, including you. Me and my developer. You. Yes, correct. I don't pay myself, unfortunately. That's good. So, I mean, let me ask you a question. In your bio, you talked about these exits. I mean, it sounds like you've made many millions of dollars.
Why not put in more of your own capital, you know, get four engineers on this and move faster? You know, one of the things I've learned is I think in Silicon Valley, as in everywhere, but we sort of come to drink our own Kool-Aid.
I think if I was looking at this like a helicopter vision down as an investor, I'd say, you know, questions that you're asking, what is your actual customer acquisition cost? You know, what is the lifetime value, you know, going through the competition? I think we need to just feel that out at a very low burn rate.
With 5K burn rate month, you know, with two or three customers with cash flow positive, then use the positive cash. Then I'll have those answers. So the investor meetings go a lot quicker when you have those answers. Yep. Yep. Okay. What other channels are you using? Is it just those outbound emails per day, 30 per day, or are there any other channels you're testing?
Yeah, well, we're looking for distribution partnerships. So as I mentioned, we're integrating with outreach.io and SalesLoft. And we also, there's potential, I think, we haven't sort of actually been, but like email signature companies like Sigstar. Y-Stamp. Y-Stamp, correct. Yeah, have a chat link, you know.
And email marketing companies, the MailChimps of the world, the Constant Contacts, you know. So if you're doing a B2B sending it out, and if it's the price point is at a point that it's worth a salesperson talking to them, I don't know, like a Dell or something, you can say, OK, I want to buy some some hardware or whatever the solution is, you know, networking solution.
Then you can actually talk to a salesperson. Why do these guys care about little old and cash, though? I mean, if they think this is a big market, they build it themselves. Why stamp does or outreach or sales off? So let's role play. I'm Kyle Porter. I run sales off. You're pitching me. What are you pitching? Well, we've built a full chatbot builder, so the whole environment of tree structures.
I mean, people can do it. Look, development cost is not really what the ā I think you use the word nimble. I think we move really, really quickly from me to having something, a product out here. I think that what we're doing in the future is using AI machine learning to understand the interaction of the chatbot across many people. So you start building that data setup, and we literally ā
turn around features in 24 hours so i think nimble with any startup is where you've got to be at um and there's one of us right i mean as you mentioned there's a bunch of companies like those that might want to do that so they can partner it's the build by decision um you know so it's it's what are their their objectives what's their 2020 roadmap look like where's the priorities uh but it's a case-by-case discussion yeah why don't you have paying customers already you're getting a response right on these emails you're sending out why not start charging people
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Chapter 4: What is the revenue model for Let's Chat and how many customers are they targeting?
I think money is secondary at this stage in the company. You just love these people to death. So that's just my approach. I think where I want to get to, if you want numbers in five years, I want a million salespeople giving us $25 a month, which is $250 million a month. So that's where I want to get to. Yep. Audacious goals. Let's wrap up with the famous five. Number one, favorite business book?
Chapter 5: How is Let's Chat using its own technology to grow its user base?
Well, I like emotional fortitude books like Joyful Wisdom, Power of Now. Yep. Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying? Well, I really enjoyed me. I met with Tim West again from Pandora and the tenacity. And he just went through the struggle with Pandora. It was really impressive. And I mentioned MailChimp. I think, you know, Ben Chesnutt being able to take that company.
That's sort of the aspirations that I would have. Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building your company? Well, we use Asana, you know, Google Hangouts and Zoom, but I think my favorite one would probably be Loom. I love the fact to be able to take videos and then we share that, you know, like there's a bug or, you know, a quick demo. So I think Loom's really good.
Number four, how many hours of sleep are you getting every night? Six to eight. And what's your situation? Married, single, kids? Married, two daughters, one at NYU, one going to UC Davis Saturday. East coast and a west coast. You have a good diversity there, right? Yeah, I think the elder one doesn't like me much. He wants to be sold away. All right, Angus, and how old are you? I am 54. 54.
Last question. What do you wish your 20-year-old self knew? Well, I think when you're younger, you sort of rush to do everything. I'd say embrace the journey, right? The destination is actually the journey, you know, so sorry, the journey is the destination. So I think the destination is icing on the cake. So be happy, enjoy it, make others around you happy and enjoy the ride.
Guys, he's sold many companies, had a lot of success exiting. Now back to the grindstone. Launched this company this year in 2019, helping people initiate, outbound salespeople initiate chat sequences from an email to start, right? So not a JavaScript embed on a website, but actually an email send.
Currently no customers, but launching pricing hopefully here soon, aiming to have five customers by the end of the year. They're burning about $5,000 per month here as they ramp up the development, the code base, all that jazz, and onboard their first users. Two people so far on the team as they look to scale.
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Chapter 6: What strategies are used for targeting and reaching potential customers?
Ankish, thank you for taking us to the top. I appreciate it. Cheers, Nathan.