SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
NittioLead LMS Charges $13k/yr, Hits 15 Customers Using Linked Outreach
15 Aug 2020
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
A year ago, our monthly revenue was around 8,000. Our deals did get stuck in the last three to four months. We had a lot of retail and food and beverages related companies. So we have kind of re-looked at our persona of people whom we should be targeting and started building the pipeline again. But Corona has impacted us. You are listening to Conversations with Nathan Latka.
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Chapter 2: How did Gajandeep pivot NittioLearn from ed-tech to corporate learning?
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Chapter 3: What challenges does NittioLearn face in customer engagement?
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He's a corporate warrior. He survived for 17 years, did product management for Nokia, Inferna, and Amazon before turning into an entrepreneur in 2015. He pivoted his company, Natio Learn, from ed tech to corporate learning at the end of 2016. And he's convinced that just like CRMs, no one learning tool can fit an entire part of an organization. Gajandeep, you ready to take us to the top?
Sure, let's go ahead. Okay, so nittiolearn.com, N-I-T-T-I-O is the website. And it sounds like you're a learning management system for inside corporations. Is that accurate? Yes, it's an LMS, but it is focused on providing learning to the distributed workforce and companies.
So your field force, which could be technicians, which could be delivery people, logistics, operations, or your frontline salespeople in retail stores. The problem I've seen in this space with other LMS tools is the head of HR will purchase it, but they can't get the actual people on the ground. They can't get the employees to consume the content and then they churn. How do you solve that?
Chapter 4: Who are the primary customers for NittioLearn's LMS?
Absolutely. We faced the same problem when we started off and when I built the company. What we have figured is that when it's the head of operations who faces a challenge and is looking for training as a solution to his challenge, That's when it fits really, really well. So we work actually more closely with the ops team and with the training teams which are directly under ops.
So sometimes the learning and development teams also, but it does fit in better when the training team actually is reporting to operations heads. So who is usually the person actually paying you at the company? Is it the COO? Most of the time, it's the operations head or the COO. Some of the times, the training budget does roll up into HR, yes.
Okay, now that we understand the product, give us more backstory here. When did you launch? So this version of the product, 2016, and is when we launched it for the corporates, yes. And when was the first version launched? Okay, so the first version was an edtech version of the same product, which we were trying to sell to schools. Tough sale.
Oh, it was a hard, tough sale and we couldn't make much money out of it. Realized that took some time and just pivoted. Took the same technology and took it to another market. But when did you launch that first company?
Chapter 5: What is the pricing model for NittioLearn's services?
That actually was launched in 2013 by my wife and my friend. And when I jumped in 2015 into the same company and then within a year decided that that's not the way to go. So is your wife working with you at Neteo Learning? No, she left Neteo Learning two years back and went back to her corporate career. Both of us being in the startup just stopped making sense at that point of time.
But you're still married and in love, right? Absolutely. That's good. That's good. Okay, so 2016 was the pivot. Help me understand your pricing model today. What's the average customer paying you per month? So we have focused on India right now. And our average customer is paying on a per user, per active user basis comes to around $2 to $3 a month. And on average, how big is a team signing up?
How many users do they sign up with? So this could be something like 1,000 to 2,000 users. We do have corporates with even more than 10,000 users who are on the platform. Okay. So is it a fair statement to say that your average customer has a thousand users and they paid $2 per user?
Chapter 6: How has COVID-19 impacted NittioLearn's revenue and customer base?
So they're paid $2,000 per month on average. Yes, that would be fair. I mean, if I calculate my average contract value itself comes to around $1,500 annually. So that would be less than that. But that's also some historical pricing, which has gone to older customers. I see. Got it. So you have some, sorry, when you say $2 per seat, that's annually, not monthly. No, it is monthly. It is monthly.
Okay, so you have people paying as little as $110. I'm really sorry. Did I say $1,500? Actually, it's not $1,500. My rupee went for a toss. Our annual contract value is actually $16,000. 6-0 or 1-6? 1-6, 1-6. Okay, $16,000? Yes, dollars.
Chapter 7: What strategies is Gajandeep using for customer acquisition?
I see, okay. So you have customers paying as little as $1,400 per month all the way up to $2,000 or $3,000 per month? Yes, yes. And the people who pay more, yes. I see, I see. When you add up all of the paid users on your platform, how many total? We have in excess of a little in excess of 100,000 users. Across how many companies? Right now, 15. 15. Okay.
So yeah, this really is an enterprise sale. Are you doing most of the sales? Oh, yes. I was a one man sales and marketing team till about six months back when I hired my first two salespeople. founders never know when to make their first sales hire. Matt Bell at Yesware says, the founder has to sell a million dollars in ARR first, and then they can hire a salesperson.
Did you follow the same advice? We haven't reached a million dollars yet. But yes, I don't think I didn't find it possible to scale further with just me selling.
Chapter 8: What are Gajandeep's future plans for NittioLearn?
So I do have salespeople, although I am still doing the closing. So I have SDRs who are setting up the meetings for me. And I also have an account executive who's taking the deals forward, although I am doing the closing still. So two SDRs, one AE plus you. Do all four of you have quota? Still looking at figuring out what should be the good quotas. We are experimenting with quotas. I see. I see.
Okay. And what's the total team size today? We are now 10 people. How many engineers? So four of us in sales, four engineers and customer support and a general operations person. I see. And it sounds like, again, 15 customers, a minimum of $1,500 per month. That means you're doing like between maybe $20,000 and $30,000 per month right now in revenue? Uh, that's true. That's true. You're right.
And what does grow? About $20,000 in revenue. Congratulations. That's not, that's not easy to get to. Did you do a bootstrapped or did you raise capital? Uh, completely bootstrapped. We love that. We love that. Congratulations. Um, and what does growth look like? So exactly a year ago, what was monthly revenue? A year ago, our monthly revenue was around 8,000.
And it has actually, our deals did get stuck in the last three to four months. We had a lot of retail and food and beverages related companies which were in the pipeline late stage and which all got stuck and are now no longer. Yes. So we have kind of re-looked at our persona of people whom we should be targeting and started building the pipeline again. But Corona has impacted us.
Yeah, I can imagine. So when you look at the impacts of COVID, what would you say your revenue churn is monthly? Okay, so we have been lucky enough that our revenue journey, actually, we were able to maintain it at zero. And that's because we were able to expand non-retail and non-food and beverage customers. So our existing customer revenue expanded over the last three months. By how much?
So we went down approximately, I think, so we turned around 10% of our revenue and we expanded that much in the last three months. Congratulations. Yeah, that means net revenue retention is north of 100% during a very tricky time of COVID. That's good numbers. Thanks. Well, back me into how you're getting new customers today. What's that process look like?
So I've always been doing outbound sales and haven't really built the inbound engine yet. So our primary outreach engine happens to be either email or LinkedIn based, getting to the right people with the right messaging and then basically following through with the discovery call and then through with the demos and closing. We have started to build the inbound engine now.
So what do you spend in terms of CAC to acquire a new $2,000 a month customer? Actually, I mean, I would be lying if I told you I knew that. I have not been able to come up with that number. No one ever knows what these numbers are actually, but a gut instinct helps you drive the business. What does your gut tell you your CAC is? So my gut tells me that my CAC is less than $2,000.
And help me understand why. How did you sort of think about that? So, I mean, there is a few costs.
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