SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
SecurityScorecard Breaks $71m ARR, 1700 Customers, $200m in Bank to Fuel Product Expansion
22 Nov 2021
Chapter 1: What is the current annual recurring revenue for SecurityScorecard?
Like we're going to finish this year at about, you know, anywhere from 70 to 73 million annual recurring revenue. Like we're growing very rapidly. We're consistently exceeding 50% plus growth rate, much faster than our direct competitor. Our direct competitor is... You are listening to Conversations with Nathan Latka, where I sit down and interview the top SaaS founders, like Eric Wan from Zoom.
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Hey folks, my guest today is Alex Yampolsky. He's a globally recognized cybersecurity innovator, leader, and expert as co-founder and CEO. He's led security scorecards since its beginnings in 2013 to become one of the world's most trusted cybersecurity brands. Alex, you ready to take us to the top? Let's do it. All right. So you are in a very hot space.
How do you differentiate yourself from some of the others like Nobi4 or Malwarebytes or others in the cybersecurity space? Sure. So we don't compete with guys like KnowBe4 or Malwarebytes. There's a lot of security solutions out there. But the insight that we had when we started the company is that a lot of solutions out there, but there's no KPIs being used to quantify how you're doing.
So we invented a way to measure and communicate cybersecurity. And that became a crucial tool to communicate risk to the board, to measure suppliers, to measure investment targets, to measure others. We do have competitors in a space, but we rated the largest number of companies. We have a broadest and deepest amount of coverage.
We have a marketplace of apps and services, and nobody else does compared to us in the rating space. What is the name of your rating that you've sort of branded? Security scorecard. So it literally is called security scorecard. Yeah, so a company name represents basically what we do.
We give companies scorecards and we teach those companies how to improve the rating and how to become more resilient. So I'm seeing obviously Eber Finance as an example with a 72 security score broken down. They score really poorly an F on network security at 52. Their DNS health is 74. Their patching cadence is 75. Alex, I say this like I'm smart. I know what the hell those things mean. I don't.
But how many of those kinds of things do you measure? We pick up hundreds of different signals from outside non-intrusively. You don't need to get a permission or consent. And then by sitting on seven years of historical data, we reduce all this information into a score. And we've demonstrated...
historically that companies with a bad score have a seven times higher likelihood than companies with a good score to suffer a data breach. And that actually is what gives us a mode, right? Like the mode is that even if I give you all our source code, all our architecture, all of our 25 plus patents and said, go compete with us, you're not going to have this historical data set
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Chapter 2: How does SecurityScorecard differentiate itself in the cybersecurity market?
I want to talk more about that freemium funnel, including this one pager you sent me for your Q2 planning, where you have effectively three buckets of key results that you focus on and how you're driving the business that way. But first, take us back. You launched the business in 2013, 2014. Do you remember what year you passed a million dollar run rate?
So we launched the business basically in 2014. And for most of 2014, we were incubating the product. So we really were just building a product in 2014. And so... We really surpassed the 1 million run rate for the business only in 2015, because most of 2014 was spent building a product. We only really started selling around June, July of 2014, and it grew rapidly.
But the first year we passed a million was in 2015. And do you remember what your starting price point was? I think you're really playing mid-market enterprise now today. Have you moved up market over the past six years? So the way that we operate is it's an annual upfront subscription, right? Like you pay annual paid upfront. The variability is the number of scorecards you want to monitor.
And a scorecard is just a company. It could be your supplier, your investment target. And we charge anywhere from... a few thousand bucks a year for monitoring a scorecard. And the prices could go down if you want to monitor quite a lot.
So some people can monitor tens of thousands of scorecards, for example, like a private equity firm monitoring its investments or a big bank monitoring its vendors. And some people can monitor 10 or 20. So the average contract is about $40,000 a year paid up front. Some people pay millions of dollars a year paid up front and some people There's 10, 20K. The average is about 40,000.
But the cool part about it is if I charge you to monitor Lotka magazine, and I charge 20 other people to monitor Lotka magazine, I don't incur any additional costs because I recompute the scorecards once a day, and then I just resell the data. It doesn't cost me anything more to get 20 more customers or 40 more customers to get access. Mm-hmm. And so can I do the math there, Alex?
1,700 customers at that $40,000 ACV puts you at about a $70, $71 million run rate today? That's correct. Yeah. So we're going to finish this year at about anywhere from 70 to 73 million annual recurring revenue. We're growing very rapidly. We're consistently exceeding 50% plus growth rate, much faster than our direct competitor. Our direct competitor is barely growing at 20% rate.
Who is your direct competitor? BitSight is our primary direct competitor. BitSight? Yep. That's kind of the main competitor we have. There's a bunch of smaller ones, but we don't really see them in big offices much. And next year, we plan to continue the same growth rate and more. So we're going to by far surpass the 100 plus next year and beyond.
We actually anticipate to be able to grow faster next year. Do you know how much revenue BitSight's doing or an estimate? Those guys are going to do about $100 million in ARR, and they're growing kind of barely at 20%. Interesting. What stalled them out? Do you have any ideas? Maybe you guys, maybe your growth has stalled them out. Well, look, we beat them 70% of the time in a bake-off.
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Chapter 3: What metrics does SecurityScorecard use to measure cybersecurity effectiveness?
You go to a doctor, they measure your blood pressure. You buy a stock bond or like a stock instrument. You have credit ratings from guys like S&P, Fitch, and others. For cybersecurity, something like that has not existed. And we believe it's a market that's going to be a huge, huge market down the road. Help me understand growth and valuation.
This is a game you have to play once you're on the VC track, and I think you're playing it fairly well. You recently raised, I believe in April this year, $180 million at what? Basically a billion valuation, right? Correct. That was a post-money valuation? That's the post-money, yes. So we raised it about a billion post. And take me back to the $50 million round you did in 2019.
What valuation was that at? We, I mean, we're more than tripled, right? Like we're more than tripled. Basically, it was like in the three something, like 320, 340. Like we're more than tripled the valuation. 340 post money? I don't remember the exact number, but something roughly in that range. But every round we did was oversubscribed, multiple term shoots.
We believe that within the next 18 to 24 months, again, we're going to triple or quadruple the valuation of a company or more. There's a good opportunity for us to take this company public to an IPO. So lots and lots of interesting tailwinds in our favor right now. What metrics, I mean, you and I both study publicly traded SaaS companies and benchmarks and things.
What sort of numbers do you think you have to hit to be competitive on your first day of trading if you do decide to go public? Well, look, I mean, whenever you go public, you also, by the way, of course, you want to have a good story, but you don't want to have a a story which cannot be further improved, right?
Like you don't want to be going public and like nothing else can be improved and it's all downhill from there. That's not the story you want to tell. You want to tell a story of growth and the story of potential and the story of upside. Look, I can tell you our net retention is solid. Our net retention is hovering between 115% to 120%.
I want to increase it by about 10 points and further and get it into 125% to 130%. That's definitely an area of attention for us. I think from a growth perspective, we're doing fine. Our growth margins are Our gross margins are very healthy between 75% to 80%, and we're not worried there. So overall, I feel like it's only just internal execution. All the tailwinds are in our favor.
It's really all about just methodical execution and getting the right team together and building additional products that we can cross-sell, up-sell into our customers to deliver more value for our customer base. One of the most common things I hear from SaaS founders as they're getting your MVP launched is you rely on your customers to send you a CSV or Excel file.
And you don't want to spend your engineering time building a big bulky CSV importer. That's why this company Flopfile is growing so fast. They make it really easy for startups to quickly embed and ingrain their customers' data into the web application without you having to spend engineering hours, your precious early engineering hours, on building a clunky CSV import.
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Chapter 4: How many customers are currently using SecurityScorecard's services?
And our customers loved it. It delivered value and it helps us differentiate and win more deals. So you hit this one, the headline, what, June 2nd, 2021, security scorecard launches integrate 360 marketplace to enhance value for customers by finding, managing, and mitigating cybersecurity risks. So you guys... You kicked that one in the butt.
Your other two objectives, the second one was enhanced customer education and onboarding. And it was interesting what you used to measure this. You said, we're going to use Pendo to measure our stickiness score. And we want to improve that, I believe, by 45% by the end of the quarter. Tell me more about that one.
Yeah, so the big initiative for us, again, focused on how do you provide value for the customers was how do we educate people about what security ratings can do for them? Because if I give you a score, how do you use it? How do you communicate to the board? How do you hold your suppliers accountable? So we built a whole team responsible for onboarding education, and then we measured
the output, we measured in Pando, which is a tool to attach to kind of how people use your product. We measured, was the stickiness actually being improved? And so that one also worked really well. And again, the trick was, the trick in startups... You don't know what's a good idea, what's a bad idea. So you need to try a bunch of things and then you see what sticks.
But once you see that it sticks, you need to just relentlessly drive execution, measure it, and hold people accountable for delivery. There's no magic. There's a lot of hard work. A lot of hard work. And obviously, measuring is important.
The last thing you measured increased the percent of existing both paid and free clients contributing private data to your platform from 363 companies to 1,000 companies. Why is that important? And did you hit that goal?
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the freemium model for SecurityScorecard?
Well, it's important because we believe strongly that our job is to help companies improve their score. And so companies have a outside end scores have limitations and companies need to have a way to provide feedback, to provide commentary. Just like if you have a restaurant, you could have customer reviews on Yelp, but the restaurant should be enabled also to
provide its own story, provide its pictures, provide its menu. And so similarly, we believe that we need to create opportunities where if we give companies a score, they need to be able to improve it, influence it, provide inside-out data, inside-out feedback, commentary. And so that was an important goal for us to really foster that inside-out communication. Love that.
Wrapping up here, obviously when you go public, you always see companies in their S1 braids just filed. They'll say how many accounts they have over a million bucks in ARR, just the one contract. Where are you guys at today? How many accounts pay more than a million a year? So we don't disclose that number, right?
We don't disclose this number publicly, but the number has been very meaningfully growing, right? I can tell you I mean, there's no concentrated risk, right? Like there's no concentrated risk in our revenue.
Chapter 6: How has SecurityScorecard's growth trajectory been since its launch?
There's no like one customer accounting for maturity. No, no, not looking for risk. I can tell you, but I can tell you, we have a whole variety of customers across government, insurance, private equity, right? And we have a whole slew of customers and those guys are paying us millions of dollars a year and deploying us on their entire portfolio, right? So it's been happening more and more.
And the funny part- Alex, can we say more than 10? Is that fair? I won't push you harder. More than 10 customers with greater than a million a year contracts? Yeah, I think it's fair. Yeah. Okay. I think that's a cool response. Yeah. But you're also building top of funnel. It's not just bottom. You have 23,000 freemium or 25,000 freemium accounts. We're at 1700.
I've converted to pay that 6.8% conversion to paid. Is this a critical focus for you moving forward as converting more freemium to paid? Um, You know, it's a focus, but it's not a critical focus. I mean, we are really just focused. We believe that every company in the world should have a scorecard. Every company in the world should have their own scorecard.
So we're much more focused on making sure that every company out there has access to a tool for free. They can sign up for free. They don't need to pay anything, and they can control their reputation effectively. And that's been a much bigger focus for us to make sure that we create those distribution channels for them to sign up.
All right, Alex, before we wrap up with the famous five, you're sitting on something interesting here, potentially pre-IPO company. You passed a million in 2015. Do you remember what year you passed 10 million run rate? I mean, it must have been around... I mean, it must have been around 2017.
I mean, I have to again, check the numbers, but I would, I mean, I would assume it was around 2017, right? Like it was a fairly typical, like it was a fairly typical story, right? Like triple, triple, double, double, double. So I think we did, I think we did, I think we did a couple of million in ARR in 2015, then we tripled, right? Like to about six or seven and then we doubled rapidly.
So that was kind of like a good trajectory for us. Yep. No, that makes sense. The reason I'm asking is I'm trying to back into what a revenue multiple you raised at in 2019. So it sounds like you were around, what? I mean, you were like a 30, 35 million run rate in 2019? 30, 35? Yeah, something around that. Yep. But healthy growth. You think you'll grow 50% from 71 million this year.
End of next year, you'll think you'll break, what, 85, 90 million in ARR? No, we're going to exceed it. We're going to break 100. Next year? Yeah, 100%. I love it. Look at this guy's confidence. He just looked right in the camera and said, we're breaking 100 next year. Do you file to IPO next year or do you think it's 2023? I mean, we are being opportunistic. We are well-funded.
We're sitting on plenty of cash. We're optimizing the company. We're increasing the shareholder value. We're not in a rush to do it because for us, IPO is just a branding event at the end of the day. But look, we're sitting on plenty of cash. We beat competitors. A lot, a lot of time. We're taking away customers from them. We're growing faster than them.
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