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UserTesting Competitor Has 40 Beta Users, Here's How She's Gonna Convert them to Paid
15 Sep 2023
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What is UserPeak.com and how did it start?
On the back, we're a very successful consulting business, which she consults on growth. Userpeak.com is aimed at being an earlier sort of further downstream product to user testing and user zoom. So lower pricing, but still same quality product, hoping to get pricing live here shortly.
And their first customer, she's worked with 40 beta users so far, working on building out their user testing pool. So their pool of available testers for all the new projects from companies that sign up. Hey folks, my guest today is Tina Banerjee. She is a managing general partner of BrainPath.de and co-founder of UserPeak.com. She advises startups on growth.
With UserPeak, she has founded a new company that aims to revolutionize the user testing space. Tina, you ready to take us to the top? Absolutely. Thanks. All right. User testing is tough. There was a multi-billion dollar in the space recently with UserZoom and user testing and others. How do you build a wedge to steal market share from these folks?
Well, we know user testing, we know UserZoom and all the competitors in the market. And we think that there needs another solution for small and medium-sized enterprises and for one-only freelancers. Because through testing, you can only go into a few really big budgets. So this is why we established UserPeak. What's the starting price?
If your thesis is you're going to win because you're going to be better pricing for one man or one woman shops, you obviously have a deep understanding of current pricing in the market. What is the starting point right now at your competitors, users and user testing, and where do you plan to launch pricing? Well, you cannot really say with users testing.
I don't know what the new pricing will be for the new user Zoom user testing, but you cannot tell. It's like rumors, like in communities, that's a six-figure number. But you honestly cannot say because you're only in a sales funnel and you need to tell exactly what you need and the pricing is based on that exactly. But what we figured out from ourselves, from our own work is that
You actually want to have a pricing, a clear and transparent pricing. And that's what we offer where you have like a subscription and you can say, okay, just pay as you go package, just 10 user testings each. And then you're fine. Or, you know, you're like a researcher, a product manager, marketer that really constantly on habit testing, so to say.
you would probably take the subscription, which is a good pricing for that. Yep. You mentioned before the show that you're in stealth. That means you're pre-revenue today, right? No customers yet? Right.
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Chapter 3: How does UserPeak differentiate itself from competitors?
So this is a very, very detailed pricing page for somebody that has no customers to like learn from. So, so how did you, what informed how you structure this current pricing page? I mean, you've got detailed down to, you know, AI speech to text transcripts, annotation and tagging clips and highlight reels. I mean, how do you know these are things people care about if you don't have customers yet?
Well, first of all, uh, we're, uh, using testering solutions, um, ourselves the last like 15 years. Um, in our own career, and we know exactly what we are actually looking for in user testing. So that's why we actually create the user testing solution. First of all, second of all, although in stealth mode, we're having better testers already. So we're like in communication with various customers.
Chapter 4: What strategies are being used to convert beta users to paid customers?
We're testing, we're getting feedback. And of course, if you are providing a very good user testing solution, you need to provide also a tester panel. So a pool of at least a specific number of testers that you can actually serve customers to test on your platform. So this is what we're actually doing right now, aggregating a really very, very qualitative tester panel and
After that, if also everybody on the beta test side is really satisfied, we're launching and going public. Tina, how do you convince... You're building this testing pool. How do you convince someone to sign up to test on UserPeak? You might say, hey, you can make 100 bucks a month going through flows that businesses submit to UserPeak.
But they're going to then say, Tina, why should I dedicate time to this? You have no customers yet. So how do you solve the chicken and egg problem here? Good question. Well, first of all, we say how much we pay our testers. So this is on the market as well, a very good survey in our opinion. So what do you pay them? Well, right now it's $10 per 20 minutes. Okay.
But you're not committing to that, right? They're not full-time employees of UserPeak? No, they're actually testers and, I guess, freelancers. So self-employed in this case, yes. So when you say you're building a tester panel, I guess, what does that mean? I mean, why are they, what are they signing or what, how do you know they're committed?
Isn't the best measurement for commitment to actually start, like get one job in the door and see how quickly your group of user testers like deliver the test? Well, everybody needs to apply. So they go through a testing sequence. They're manually one by one, tested and viewed if they have the ability to be a good tester, first of all.
Second of all, if we have customers and we're doing tests our own, they get like a rating. Every customer is supposed to rate each video after providing or got provided from the testers. So there's going to be a quality review in this case as well. So the more good ratings the tests or the participants get, the more tests they will get.
So they have, first of all, the need to deliver very good videos and very good feedback and various feedback. Second of all, we only also provide guides, manuals, workshops to actually develop those testers to be more and more an expert, but you also see that there are different kinds of participants, so we need to focus on that as well. Understood.
When you mentioned you have beta users right now, how many have launched at least one beta user test through the platform? You mean as a customer? You said that, quote, you have beta testers right now. What does that mean? What are they doing? Well, we're getting this moderated feedback going to the platform and asking, so doing it like for, I think, like 30 to 40 better testers right now.
So we have a pretty good overview of what we can expect from the platform and what is still in question. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work, but it's meant that how we're going to prioritize on our coming up roadmap
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Chapter 5: What is the current pricing strategy for UserPeak?
My question is, I'm trying to teach people listening right now. How do you as a new founder and stealth startup convince very busy people to spend time on zoom with you to give you feedback on your prelaunch product? Maybe I don't get your question. If you're a founder, you want to get feedback from your customers pretty, really easy and fast. Yes, I know. But Tina, how do you do that?
You've convinced 40 people. You said you have 40 beta testers. How have you convinced 40 beta testers to give, they give you their time knowing your pre-revenue pre-products. How do you convince them to do that? Well, because of our network. So we have connections to founders and startup owners and enterprise product managers. And we have that before.
So we're asking them directly on email via phone. If for a time we have started this new product and we would like to have your feedback because I gave feedback before to them. I see. Okay, so it's networked. Network rate. All right. We're running out of time here, so quick questions here. When did you guys launch? When did you write the first line of code? It would be 2019.
Tina, you started this four years ago and you're still pre-revenue. Why is it taking so long to get customers? Because it's a side project. It started as a side project and it's also a bootstrap. So we're that was a time, uh, um, in between the pandemic and the Ukrainian crisis. So, um, this all comes together. How's the Ukrainian crisis affect you? Are your engineers there? Are you based there?
Yeah, the whole economic, um, um, situation in Europe and I probably in the U S as well, um, is a little different game right now. So everybody is like, um, uh, going back and, um, doing no risk at all. So, um, developers as well. So we, um, try to, um, try to find a solution for that. And that's maybe the situation. One and another helps also to deal with. That's what we did with
Well, Tina, sorry, just to be clear, the whole world is going through all the problems that you just discussed right now. There are plenty of user testing tools that are driving sales. Just because you're bootstrapped and just because there's a war going on in macroeconomic conditions, that shouldn't be an excuse to not be able to build the thing.
But what's really happening here is you've got a very profitable side thing where you're doing advising and consulting. And it's not worth it. You haven't given that up yet to go all in on user peak. That's sort of what I'm hearing. That's right. Yes. Yeah. So don't you have to pick one?
I mean, isn't user peak going to continue to be sort of like this side project that sort of just sort of sits, I mean, don't you, I don't know what your, your personality is like, but, but don't, shouldn't you cut all your safety nets and go all in on the startup?
I could, um, but I think, um, the people, uh, we're working right now, uh, together is, um, a more experienced one than, um, me and myself and I. So, um, I know that where my strengths are and I think that dividing it into both ones is still enough. And right now, I cannot promise what the future brings, but it has really much potential. And yeah. Okay. Well, Tina, we're out of time here.
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