SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
Why Acuant Sold to Private Equity, New CEO Vision for Identity Space Targets 50% yoy Growth
10 Feb 2021
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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He's a product manager with more than 25 years of building enterprise product experience for digital identities, detecting and preventing financial crime, payment security, network security, and application security. He's an entrepreneur at heart, now building a trusted digital identity company at Accuint.com. Jose, you ready to take us to the top? All righty. Sounds good. All right.
Identity space is super hot. Help me understand. What do you guys do? So we create software that allows companies to assess the risk of dealing with different identities online and on-premise. And so are you selling mainly the large enterprises or is this a small business sort of play? All over, actually.
We have tons of customers that are in the SMB space, but we have our most obviously profitable comes from the enterprise. When did you launch the business? So iCune has been in business for, a long time, over 10, 15 years. We, along the line, we acquired different businesses. I actually came from an acquisition through a company called IdentityMind about a year and a half ago.
So it's been a while. I started in Israel a long time ago and a lot of experience in border security and very fine and validating documents from now to all the way to online. And how many, on average, what are these customers paying per month? It sounds like you have a big range. It's a big range. So it depends on the product.
We have a very broad portfolio, given all the different ways that you can do online verification of identities and how you apply that to, say, fraud prevention or financial crime prevention or anti-money laundering and so forth. So it really depends on the client and the services. We have services that apply to very small companies and we have services that apply to very large companies.
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Chapter 2: How does Acuant assess the risk of identities online?
And is that, so if a bank is monitoring me once per month, that just still counts as one of the billion that you've managed monitor. Correct. Correct. And then this is worldwide, right? This is, this is, this is not just North America or Europe. I mean, so true or false, there's only seven or 8 billion people in the world.
If you're managing and verifying a billion of them, I mean, you have all, you know, more than 10% coverage of the entire earth based off users being tracked. At any given point in time. Yes. Um, there is the, the,
So I guess I should say that if you are bank A and you do Hosea, right, in terms of authentication and then you go to bank B and then you also authenticate Hosea, that counts as two, right? It's just that on a per client basis. So it's not quite billing unique. It would be more about there is some overlap, obviously, right?
Chapter 3: What types of customers does Acuant serve?
Because I do business with, you know, Bank of America and Wells Fargo and whatever other fintechs in the world there are. And you mentioned, again, the minimum was sort of a dollar to validate identity. You just said a billion last year. I don't think you did a billion in revenue last year. So where's my math wrong? Oh, that's a good point. It's actually a very good point.
It depends of how you contract. And obviously, when you have and do a lot of volume, the price per identity verification goes lower, right? And the price that we give sometimes to our partners is much lower than the part that the cost that we would go directly, right? Because they are putting money on top of that, right? On those.
So, you know, a good point in saying that, I think that that's about the cost of the market to do the type of, to use a type of technology validation that we do for our customers. Now, not, as I said, not all the, For example, transaction monitoring, right? It's a very different cost center than what a user validation and verification is.
So there is some checks and balances in terms of how you put down the monetization on a per identity basis. So let's go back and instead of talking about per identity model, let's go back and talk about 700 customers, right? If you, you know, 700 customers, right, at a minimum of sort of what you said ARPU would be monthly ARPU, let's say it was $1,500 or $2,000 per month.
I mean, that puts you at like, you know, $1.4, $1.5 million per month in revenue. Is that more in line with what you actually are? We were doing well. Some of the numbers that came disclosed, private companies, I'm not allowed to disclose that. But we're doing well. That's not helpful. It isn't, but it's something I can talk and tell us about. Talk to me about the team. How many folks total?
About 180. Okay. And how many engineers? About 80. Okay. Okay. So you are, I mean, this is a tech, this is a hardcore tech product with that much engineering. Yes. Yes. How many now do you guys employ a sales strategy that requires quoted carrying reps or is it really the OEM strategy? It's both. We do have sales that carry a quota. How many carry a quota? I would say about two-thirds.
Even the ones that work with partners. Two-thirds of what? Two-thirds of our sales force probably carry a quota. I don't know what your sales force is. uh, probably about 40 people.
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Chapter 4: How does Acuant's pricing model vary by customer?
Got it. Okay. Got it. So you've got, yeah. Okay. Interesting. And, and, and, you know, managing a sales team, especially in really what this is, I believe it's probably a DevOps tool. I imagine you're selling to CTOs to some degree. Uh, what, um, like how are they selling bottoms up or top down? Um, good question. I would say that, that, that,
the stakeholders that we sell into is more diverse than just the CTOs, right? The application of these identities and the application of monitoring really has a broad use case set. So the stakeholders can change and the owners of the budget, if you will, can change depending on the organization. There's a lot of
operating budget that doesn't usually assign the CTO more to either the CIO or the finance department sometimes, depending on the type of application. I understand. So what about funding history? Have you guys bootstrapped the company or raised? So we're private owned by a PE firm at this point. Which one? Um, audits. Okay. And that would happen in 2018, I believe, right? Correct. Correct.
The, um, that happened a couple of years ago. Um, I thought it was, uh, well, it could be designed. Um, yeah. So before that, obviously there was different races and different stuff, but, um, but as of 2018 is owned by audits. And what did, I mean, why did you get involved? Right.
Chapter 5: What is the revenue breakdown between SaaS and services?
I mean, it sounds like you had, did you found a company that, that they bought the acumen bought? Um, yeah, it was one of the co-founders of identity mine. Um, it's mine was, uh, founded in 2010. We went really to marketing 13 and then we became part of that can family it, uh, in the summer of, uh, the year before 2018. Did your investors make money on the deal? Well, you know,
I'm not moving to Zahidi anytime soon. Fair enough. Yeah, I mean, you guys raised, what, 20, 21 million at IdentityMind? Yeah, thereabouts. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't sort of exit, you know, unless there was something about your vision that just you believed and then it didn't happen, right?
So, like, what happened at IdentityMind where you said, you know what, the best deal is to go ahead and join this larger company? I think we have a lot of synergies with Accurate and the way that we collectively think about what we call trusted digital identities.
Eventually, and one of the reasons why we put together IdentityMind was to, is because of understanding that in order for you to do business, you have to understand who you're doing business with and whether it's safe for you to do business with that, whoever that individual is. So the premise of IdentityMind in creating identities was really to solve that problem. And, you know,
I think it's a vision in my mind rather than something that you can achieve very quickly. I think we still have a lot of work to do to get to that vision and attain that. When we started working with Acunt, it was very clear that we were very much in the same vein as to how do you build in a platform that allows you to do that. So are we finished with that? No, we have a lot of work to do.
And the market has a lot of work to do. And so we're still working on this. You can't disclose the actual sales price, obviously. But whatever the total deal size was, what percent of that was incentivizing you and the team with stock in Accuint? I can't disclose any of the details, obviously. But it was good for us.
It was a good incentive to continue to work with both the Accuint team and the Audix team are fantastic to work with. So I think we are all continue, most of us continue to be heavily invested in the ideas and the pursuit of what we want. We believe that we need to build to facilitate safety in the marketplace. Where does your earn out end? My earn out? Yeah.
You're going to leave in 13 months, aren't you? No, I'm not very passionate about what we're building. and we have work to do. Yeah. Talk to me about the, before we wrap up here, expansion revenue opportunity. It's like, you know, owning this relationship identity management, there's usually a lot of ways you can upsell additional products in the future.
What does your expansion revenue look like year over year just from upsells to historical customers? It's pretty open. I mean, it's pretty large. We have consistently been able to to continue to penetrate use cases within our client base.
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