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EP. 91 - MOTHERHOOD IS THAT YOU?

19 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Meli & Olivia talk about their shriveled up eggs at the historic age of 32, and imagine what it look like to be mothers. 

EP. 89 - THE TRAUMA PLOT

04 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

a few listener emails including: an update on brian's bedbug saga and a story about The One That Got Away. then, m&o chat about trauma as a vehicle fo...

EP. 88 *bonus episode teaser* GAB HOUR

28 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

To listen to the rest of the episode, subscribe to patreon.com/saymorepodcast. the gals gab about whatever is on their mind including: lucy letby, RFK...

EP. 87 - DO WE EVEN LIKE WRITING?

20 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

M & O read an update from The Brian Bedbug Saga and an email from a listener about breeding kinks and chosen single parenthood. Then, they talk about ...

EP. 85 - WRITING ABOUT GRIEF w/ AMY LIN

29 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We were overjoyed to talk with Amy Lin, author of the new memoir, HERE AFTER, which details her relationship with her late husband and his sudden pass...

EP. 84 - *bonus episode* - CANDELARIA & PICK ME GIRLS

22 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Listen to the full episode on Patreon. It's here! Well, mostly. Here is a partial recording of our conversation at Skylight Books in Los Angeles, wher...

EP. 83 - FATHERHOOD w/ LUCAS MANN

15 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We chat with author Lucas Mann about his most recent collection of essays, ATTACHMENTS, which unpacks the tender, scary, and hilarious experience of c...

EP. 82 - *bonus episode* - WRITING ABOUT SEX

08 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

TEASER. we help a listener through a tough friendship/roommate breakup and talk about how we go about writing about SEX. are u trying to turn your rea...

EP. 81 - TRAD WIVES w/ GABY DEL VALLE

01 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

the gals talk to trad-wife expert, gaby del valle, who has done extensive reporting on the women bringing old school homesteading onto the main feed. ...

EP. 80 - *bonus episode* - FROM POETRY TO FICTION

25 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia keep getting asked: what is it like to go from poetry to fiction. They talk about it! Also, listeners share a story about their end-o...

EP. 79 - WRITING ABOUT FOOD

18 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We talk through a few listener emails about surviving your mid-twenties, surviving with a UTI on Survivor, and surviving a boss who keeps showing up t...

EP. 78 - *bonus episode* - A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF SLAM POETRY

12 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

head over to patreon.com/saymorepodcast to listen to the full episode! we got to sit down in real life with one of our closest friends & favorite writ...

EP. 77 - LOVE IS BLIND & POV

04 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

back with another HOME RUN. this week, the gal pals chat about their favorite high-brow television show, love is blind, as well as the infinite ways P...

EP. 75: ROMANCE - A PROBE

19 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

In honor of Melissa's favorite holiday, we are talking about love. We spoke with Puloma Ghosh, author of Mouth, about tropes in the romance genre, fan...

EP. 73 - AUTOFICTION & THE SELFHOOD PLOT

05 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

it's the new season of SAY MORE! thank you for waiting literally two years. this week, we are discussing the genre of autofiction — where it started...

EP. 72 - ROCKSTARS, MISTRESSES, SURROGATES, THE MONARCHY

07 Oct 2022

Contributed by Lukas

pop culture is truly losing it

EP. 71 - WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ROE V. WADE w/ PAIGE GREEN

21 Sep 2022

Contributed by Lukas

The gals welcome former guest Paige Green—nurse, doula, star—to talk about the dismal state of reproductive rights in America and how to generally...

EP. 70 - ORIGIN STORIES

19 Mar 2022

Contributed by Lukas

M&O, together at last, talk about how they met the most important people in their lives.

EP. 69 - ORGASMS APLENTY

28 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

EP. 68 - AN ODE TO OUR TWENTIES

18 Jan 2022

Contributed by Lukas

As Melissa and Olivia depart the tragic & exhilarating decade of their twenties, they reminisce on the years they spent being whores in punk houses, s...

EP. 67 - MORTALITY w/ ANDREA GIBSON

10 Dec 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa go from complete chaos to total enlightenment in a conversation with renowned poet Andrea Gibson about mortality, the industry of dea...

EP. 66 - Voyeurism & Sensitive Men

15 Oct 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa briefly revisit the theory that Rooney mined their lives, wonder if voyeurism is always sexual, & if they've reached the end of the e...

EP. 65 - OUR LIVES, MINED

27 Aug 2021

Contributed by Lukas

O & M talk about the possibility that their lives have been used as fodder for a bestselling novel. Are they self-involved? Or are they right?

EP. 64 - RETROACTIVE JEALOUSY & OTHER TERRIBLE FEELINGS

20 Jun 2021

Contributed by Lukas

M&O talk about how trauma can make relationships a nightmare but also how you can get better. 

EP. 63 - ARE WE SMART?

08 Apr 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia question whether or not they are smart. Which maybe means they aren't?

Ep. 62: The Oversharing Industrial Complex

16 Feb 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa and Olivia talk about what it means when celebrities make money off their wounds and the intentions behind oversharing on the internet. They a...

EP. 61 - BAD TV & TOUGH LOVE "PARENTING"

13 Jan 2021

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia try to justify their love of melodramatic television & also are in complete denial about their traumatic childhoods.

EP. 60 - ALTERNATE UNIVERSES

24 Dec 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia talk about what could have been. 

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE

01 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels. 

EP. 59 - NORMIE CULTURE

01 Nov 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa ponder Instagram script font, barnhouse lifestyle bloggers, women who dream of pumpkin patches, and embroidered towels. 

Say More 9.23.20 RECUT

06 Oct 2020

Contributed by Lukas

As in, media. Not food. Media is our food. We feed on the faux-intimate lives of people we do not know. 

EP. 57 - BEING PERFORMATIVE & CAPITALISM

07 Aug 2020

Contributed by Lukas

M & O are back, chatting about whether or not they have personalities & what it means to exist inside of a society fueled by consumerism & class warfa...

EP. 56 - CANCEL CULTURE

02 Jul 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Meli & Oli chat about Twitter, accountability, & what it means to be cancelled while working towards restorative justice. 

EP. 55 - THE FOREMOTHERS OF PRISON ABOLITION

17 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia talk extensively about the lives & work of Angela Davis, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Mariame Kaba.

EP. 54 - PRISON ABOLITION FOR DUMMIES

03 Jun 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia answer the five most common questions when talking about abolishing the police & prison. 

EP. 53 - RUNNING IS MY BOYFRIEND w/ JOSEFINA OLIVA

27 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

We talk to Melissa's mom about falling in love with running after her divorce & how, committing to something for three months & then moving onto the n...

EP. 52 - NORMAL PEOPLE & SEX ON SCREEN

20 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

O & M talk Normal People and performative sex. 

EP. 51 - WHAT WE WANNA BE WHEN WE GROW UP

13 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia talk about The Self and what becomes of it. 

EP. 50 - NIHILISM vs. PESSIMISM vs. OPTIMISM vs. ?????

07 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia have a little chat about whether they have hope themselves, the world, and the people inside it. 

EP. 49 - GROUNDHOG DAY

02 May 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia recount what it is they do every single fucking day. 

EP. 48 - WE RAN OUT OF IDEAS

23 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

so we just talked shit. 

EP. 47 - WHAT THE FUCK IS COVID-19 w/ JILL GATWOOD

15 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa interview Jill Gatwood AKA Olivia's mom who, yes, she still calls mommy. Old habits die hard. She's an epidemiologist so she knows a ...

EP. 46 - THE QUESTIONS WE HATE

08 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa and Olivia answer the questions that started this podcast in the first place: the questions they never want to answer but keep getting asked. ...

EP. 45 - HOUSEPLANTS & ROMANTIC COMEDIES

01 Apr 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia chat about inheriting a green thumb & letting it bloom in the quarantine, as well as why romantic comedies are, perhaps, the most rel...

EP. 44 - SOLITUDE HACKS & ELIZABETH WARREN

26 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa interviews Olivia about the fact that she was already social distancing & Olivia asks Melissa about her tumultuous relationship with Lizzy.

EP. 43 - HOMETOWNS

19 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia asks Melissa about her hometown (her mother's kitchen) and Melissa asks Olivia about her's (a desert filled with rusty refrigerators).

EP. 42 - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA w/ JOSHUA MCELROY

11 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia interview an Australian they met at Sundance, who is on a journey across America for the first time. 

EP. 42 - THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA w/ JOSHUA MCELROY

11 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia interview an Australian they met at Sundance, who is on a journey across America for the first time. 

EP. 41 - AMERICAN DIRT, REPRESENTATION & TECH BROS

04 Mar 2020

Contributed by Lukas

SEASON 2 STARTS NOW. Melissa & Olivia see each other for the first time in sixteen years - Olivia asks Melissa about the critically not-acclaimed nove...

EP. 40 - BEING A YOUNG POP STAR, GOING INDIE & WHY IS LANA DEL REY DATING A COP? w/ SHAMIR

19 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia chat with Shamir, a musician/icon based out of Philly, who had a taste of arenas and the world of mass produced pop music & chose his...

EP. 39 - AMAZON, NO MUSIC FOR ICE & BULLYING JEFF BEZOS w/ SADIE DUPUIS

12 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Sadie Dupuis, poet, multi-instrumentalist, and lead vocalist of Speedy Ortiz, stops by the pod to talk to Olivia & Melissa about starting NO MUSIC FOR...

Episode 38: DISCWOMAN, Appropriation & the world of techno w/ Frankie Hutchinson

05 Dec 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa talk to Frankie Hutchinson of Discwoman, one of the co-founders of a talent agency for electronic music. They also talk about how muc...

EP. 37 MINISODE - ALL OF MY PLANTS ARE TURNING BLACK

21 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa read out spooky stories from listeners, one of which involves a cursed succulent. But maybe all succulents are cursed? Edited, master...

EP. 36 - SOFAR SOUNDS, SPOTIFY, & HOW CAPITALISM RUINED MUSIC w/ LIZ PELLY

14 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa chat with writer, Liz Pelly, who dives deep into the exploitation of artists by streaming platforms, the appropriation of the "house ...

EP. 35 - OUR FAVORITE MOVIES & MORE SCARY STORIES

08 Nov 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia interview each other about their favorite movies & read aloud listeners spooky stories with an even spookier score. 

EP. 34 - WE ARE BOTH HAUNTED

25 Oct 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa tell the spooky stories of their life. Send yours to [email protected] & they will read them out loud. 

EP. 33 - THE FREEDOM OF ALTER EGOS w/ BECCA KAUFFMAN PT. 2

17 Oct 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE T...

EP. 33 - THE FREEDOM OF ALTER EGOS w/ BECCA KAUFFMAN PT. 1

17 Oct 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Becca Kauffman stops by SAY MORE to chat about her performative persona, Jennifer Vanilla, what it means to "be yourself", and her new single, ERASE T...

EP. 32 - Caroline Calloway & Spooky Tour Stories w/ Ellen Kempner

09 Oct 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa talk about Caroline Calloway finally (still topical) & are then joined by Ellen Kempner of Palehound (the only Ellen they acknowledge...

EP. 31 - PUNISHERS & SVU w/ Tamara Santibañez

25 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa are back together in the same room (Natasha Jacobs' Buschwick studio) talking about people who are punishers, the burden of knowledge...

EP. 30 - EVERYTHING IS A PYRAMID SCHEME

18 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia asked listeners to submit their pyramid scheme stories. Turns out, almost everything is a pyramid scheme. 

EP. 29 - BIRTHDAYS, DISAPPOINTING PARTIES, AND TURNING THIRTY w/ DIANNELY ANTIGUA

11 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

It's Diannely's thirtieth birthday so we had her read a poem and tell us about all the times she's cried in a bathtub. 

EP. 28 - SELF-CONFIDENCE, MOTHERS IN LAW, THAT WEIRD NEW NETFLIX MOVIE 'TALL GIRL' w/ AURA

04 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia chat with mixed-media artist & musician AURA about things that help and ruin our confidence, like the media and mothers in law. 

EP. 27 - LIVE at LIFE OF THE PARTY BOOK RELEASE

02 Sep 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa interviews Olivia about her new book, Life of the Party, which meditates on true crime, fear, and violence against women. Melissa also talks e...

EP. 26 - QUENTIN TARANTINO, MURDERED WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD & CHILDISH MEN w/ JOURDAIN SEARLES

07 Aug 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa chat with comedian & film critic, Jourdain Searles about how most movies made by men are bad. 

EP. 25 - BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, GUY FIERI, FATHERS, & THE OPPOSITE OF EX-HUSBANDS w/ RAX KING

24 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

This week we mourn the temporary loss of Olivia Gatwood with a solo show from our Melissa (Melissa rubbing her hands together, hunched over a smoking ...

EP. 24 - NUDES, CONVENIENCE CULTURE, DOG WALKING & THE GIG ECONOMY w/ BRIAN BURNS

17 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

M & O chat with the most productive person alive—Gwyneth Paltrow herself—Brian Burns about ATM's, invasive nudes, and all of the cities we have in...

EP. 23 - CORPORATE FEMINISM w/ JAMIE LOFTUS

03 Jul 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa talk with Boss Whom Is Girl creator & comedian Jamie Loftus about the rise of Girl Boss culture, corporate feminism, and the cult of ...

EP. 22 - NERD CULTURE & DRAG QUEENS w/ GARRETT LUKAS DELLIOS

26 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa interview Dungeons & Dragons fanatic & drag performer (Beef Cakes) Garret Lukas Dellios about obsessive sub-cultures and who loves th...

EP. 21 - MOVING, PHYSICAL GRIEF & BREAKUPS w/ LUCY COTRELL

19 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa chat with comedian Lucy Cotrell about a lot of sad shit and some funny shit too.

EP. 20 - VEGANISM, MASCULINITY, CLASSISM & CONSUMERISM w/ BEN ZAIDI

05 Jun 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa interview poet & musician Ben Zaidi about veganism & all the arguments against/for it. 

EP. 19 - CAMP, LATINIDAD, SYLVIA PLATH & SOLANGE w/ KYLE LOPEZ

29 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia chat with poet, Kyle Lopez, about the real definition of camp, the vastness of Latinidad, & Kyle reads a poem after Sylvia Plath & So...

EP. 18 - DOULAS, ABORTION & BODY LITERACY w/ PAIGE GREEN

22 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa chat with a real life, pro-choice doula about the business of birth, primal fertility, and why the Alabama abortion bill isn't about ...

EP. 17 - PROM & RACING CARS

15 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia talks about her days drag racing like some bitch from 2 Fast 2 Furious & Melissa reminisces about the time she looked beautiful at prom but got...

EP. 16 - DREAMS & TRINIDAD

08 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa talks about recording her dreams & making a movie out of them. Olivia reflects on moving to the Caribbean & becoming friends with bugs. 

EP. 15 - BEACHES, NUDITY, & MARRIED PARENTS w/ MELISSA ROCHA

01 May 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia chat with comedian & short film star actress Melissa Rocha about being more comfortable naked than in a bikini & what it's like to ha...

EP. 14 - VANITY, POP MUSIC, SELF LOVE & BRAVE FASHION CHOICES w/ BERNARD FERGUSON

24 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa chat with poet & Extremely Kind, Intelligent Human, Bernard Ferguson about everything related to being obsessed with yourself.

EP. 13 - BOOBS & ACNE

17 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa talks to Olivia about what it's like to still be going through puberty & Olivia asks Melissa about her giant titties. 

EP. 12 - SHARKS & LADY SCIENTISTS W/ CHESTINA CRAIG

09 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa interview marine biologist Chestina Craig on sharks, being a woman in science, & more!

EP. 11 - CHRONIC PAIN & BEING A MUSICIAN w/ THELMA

03 Apr 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia & Melissa talk to singer/songwriter, Thelma, about her journey through the music industry & navigating instruments, relationships, & employers ...

EP. 10 - GAY PORN w/ GABE GONZALEZ

12 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Comic & internet sensation Gabe Gonzalez talks cinematography & film making & butt juice. 

EP. 9 - VALENTINES DAY, COOL KIDS, MEAN GIRLS, REGRETS w/ JULIA CLAIRE

12 Mar 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia and Melissa talk to comic & cultural critic Julia Claire about literally everything. 

EP. 8 - SISTERS & MENSTRUAL CUPS

19 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia interviews Melissa about the bitchy, unconditional love of sisterhood & Melissa asks Olivia about shoving a silicone shot glass up her pussy. 

EP. 7 - CUSTOMER SERVICE w/ Hieu Minh Nguyen

12 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa & Olivia interview their favorite poet & Julia Roberts guru, Hieu Minh Nguyen, about working in customer service & being a full time artist. 

EP. 6 - TRUE CRIME & SELENA

05 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia talks about her obsession with being murdered & Melissa shows off how much she knows about the late pop-star Selena. 

EP. 5 - ANXIETY & EX-GIRLFRIENDS

29 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa talks about her life riddled with anxiety & Olivia gets unevolved about how everyone she dates has cool exes.

EP. 4 - YEAST INFECTIONS & PSORIASIS

22 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa asks Olivia about her burning, itchy scalp while Olivia asks Melissa about the bread baking inside of her vagina. 

EP. 3 - CATS & BOYFRIENDS

15 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Melissa asks Olivia why she fucking hates cats & Olivia asks Melissa about her new identity as A Person With A Boyfriend. 

EP. 2 - KARAOKE & BIKINI LINES

08 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Olivia asks Melissa about her karaoke obsession & Melissa delves into the details of Olivia's outrageous bikini line. 

EP. 1 - BANGS & BEAUTY TUTORIALS

13 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

In the premier episode of SAY MORE, Olivia interviews Melissa about BANGS (as in, hair), and Melissa interviews Olivia about the world of YouTube beau...