The Ladder of Reading and Writing with Nancy Young
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What is the Ladder of Reading and Writing?
Hi and welcome to School Shorts with me, Melissa Chan-Green, journalist and mum of two with a passion for education. In this episode, I'm talking to Nancy Young, the creator of the letter of reading and writing. It's a bit of a different release because it's audio only, so I apologise if there are any of you who like to watch these on YouTube. As I actually recorded this interview quite some time ago and through user error at the time I deleted the video file attached to it but I do still have the audio that happens when you try and teach yourself new editing skills. embarrassing, but it is an interesting episode for me for personal reasons and my family. So in an ideal world, I would have recorded properly again.
But in the meantime, here's the audio shortly after Nancy visited to speak with teachers. Well, Nancy, I was lucky enough to be at one of those sessions that you did with teachers and I was interested because when you took the stage, you said, I've got tears in my eyes being here and I wanted to ask why you felt that way.
Well, I have tears in my eyes again now with you saying that. I'm truly honored to be in New Zealand supporting educators, parents, anybody who's involved. There's such a huge community of people involved in literacy instruction, supporting children in learning to read and write to the best of their ability. And really, it's so exciting for me to know that people are listening to my messages and that all my work and efforts are helping people.
Well, and helping children across a wide spectrum of ability too, because that was the message that came through really clearly for me, that you are there advocating for children of all abilities. And you've come up with this ladder of reading and writing. which shows that there is a continuum of ease. So some children find it easier than others. As a parent, how do you know where your child sits on that continuum?
Well, as a parent, I think... And having worked with many parents, parents start to see signs. Some parents will see signs that their children are starting to read much earlier than they expected. And that was my case with my own children. But also, I didn't know what I know now back then. And I just thought, oh, this is great. They're starting to learn to read. And I really didn't realize that they were so advanced so early. At the same time, as parents whose children... might have difficulties once they get to school, have often seen the signs too. They'll say, you know, one of my children was reading early on their own. My other child avoided books. when I try to just, you know, point out words, avoided those, and they will see the signs really early before school often.
And then what they're hoping for those for whom it's more difficult, they're hoping, well, once they get to school, everything will be fine because the school will teach them how to read. Just as those parents whose children are advanced learners, will think, in my case certainly, and many with whom I've worked, will think, oh, this is great. Once they get to school, they'll be fine because they're already so advanced. So parents are putting a lot of hope into hoping the school will be able to meet their child's needs wherever they are.
And with your experience, because you've worked with so many schools and teachers internationally, Teachers have the very best intentions and knowledge seeking through work with you, but what role does a parent play in having to advocate for their child if they are in an area where they're going to need some extra support?
Well, the parent is a very important player. I say I really encourage educators and parents to work as a team. I see parents as integral members of the team, and I think they need to be valued more than they are currently valued in what I've seen in many places. So parents can share information about their children. And what is happening in the home scene is really important for teachers to know. So I encourage parents to share.
Because often it can be different, right?
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