Can the shingles vaccine stave off dementia?
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, it's Laura Lichtman, and you're listening to Science Friday. The benefits of getting a vaccine seem relatively straightforward. Like, you get the shingles vaccine, it protects you from shingles. But there may be more to the story. For example, researchers have found a surprising link between getting the shingles vaccine and a lower risk of developing dementia. And that's not the only vaccine that seems to boost health in unexpected ways. So what's going on here?
What are the benefits of the shingles vaccine beyond preventing shingles?
Here to get into the details are my guests. Dr. Pascal Geldsetzer is an epidemiologist at Stanford University who's studying the association between the shingles vaccine and lower rates of dementia. And Dr. Helen Chu is a physician and epidemiologist at the University of Washington who studies flu, RSV and COVID-19. Helen, Pascal, welcome to Science Friday.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thanks for having us.
Thanks for being here. Helen, start by orienting us. Give me some examples of some of the unintended benefits of vaccines, you know, beyond preventing the specific disease they were designed for.
We think of vaccines as preventing the disease that we're vaccinating against, flu or RSV or COVID.
How is the shingles vaccine linked to a lower risk of dementia?
But oftentimes, these vaccines can have other effects, like preventing heart attacks or strokes. There are a couple of reasons why we think this happens. The first is perhaps we are not measuring the infections when they occur. So very well may be that somebody comes in with a heart attack, and the trigger for that heart attack was a flu infection, but we never captured that flu infection. And so when we look at this on a population level in studies, what we can see is that flu vaccines actually prevent heart attacks.
Can I just dig in here for a second? So the idea is that flu could actually trigger a heart attack or a heart health problem. And so if you're preventing the flu, you're you're preventing this downstream effect of having that infection.
That's correct. It could be preventing that. And it's possible that the flu infection is triggering inflammation in your blood vessels. And that inflammation is what's causing the heart attack or the stroke. We think that's what's happening. And we're not able to measure that in the way we normally do these studies.
Okay, so that's one potential reason you see these downstream effects. Is there another?
I think the main point is that either we're not measuring it or these things are happening well after the infection is being diagnosed. And so it could be that you could have a heart attack at the time of your hospitalization for flu, but we never captured that flu infection. The other way that it could happen is that that heart attack or stroke happened a few weeks to months later. And we're not capturing it because it wasn't at the time of the immediate infection, but that infection triggered this cascade of inflammation that later on led to all of these other adverse events like strokes or heart attacks.
Gotcha. OK, I want to dig into a case study for a couple minutes and then we'll zoom back out. But, Pascal, let's talk about this relationship between the shingles vaccine and dementia. You looked into this. Why did you start investigating this in the first place?
Well, I think the shingles vaccination program, as it was rolled out in several countries, provides this really unique opportunity in observational data to get at cause and effect rather than just correlation, right? We usually always have this fundamental problem in cohort studies, in electronic health record data, medical claims data. that we have to compare people who are very different, you know, people who go get vaccinated versus those who don't, people who are prescribed a certain medication versus those who don't. And we know there are different health behaviors, preventive motivations that drive these decisions. And we just have very, I mean, it's very hard to measure these concepts in the first place.
And the measures that we have of these things in electronic health record data are even poorer.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:03–0:35
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What are the benefits of the shingles vaccine beyond preventing shingles?
0:35–1:23
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How is the shingles vaccine linked to a lower risk of dementia?
1:23–5:11
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What unintended benefits do vaccines provide beyond their intended purpose?
5:11–18:13
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