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"I thought it would be 40 points plus." | Kane and Kingy review Collingwood vs Hawthorn (01.05.26)
30 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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But last night, it was Collingwood and Hawthorne, which ended in a draw for Signet. Life's never flat when you power every moment with the Signet power bank, signet.com. It's time for our first thoughts. The best analyst in football is David King. Kingy, good morning once again to you. What are your first thoughts?
Morning, Cornsy. Morning, everyone. It was a very entertaining game. It was. It was a cracking Thursday night fixture. Look, going into the evening, I thought with the... the managing of Howe and Pendlebury, are they basically telling us that this is not an absolute priority? Yep, we want to play well. We want to perform to our levels.
But can we beat Hawthorne, who are almost full strength with the exception of Will Day, who hasn't been there all year, and Marby Orchol? I thought it would be 40 points plus. I really did. And to see Collingwood jump out of the box and come with a plan just to get the ball to ground in the forward line, play wide, take minimal risks ā
And then just, let's just hunt after the footy at ground level. Worked with absolute outrageous success. I think they went inside 57 times in the first quarter for five goals. Straight. You just don't see that. You don't.
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Chapter 2: What are Kane and Kingy's first thoughts on the Collingwood vs Hawthorn match?
You don't see that at all. They did the same in the third quarter.
They did. The 16 entries at halftime. It's the lowest he's ever had as Collingwood coach, but they... scored at will when they went in there. So you're right. They, they went super wide and then super. And then the use of fast handball off that when they went wide was really, really effective. And then, I mean, there's two ways you can look at it. 62 entries to 34.
Maybe Hawthorne should have won by 30 points.
Yeah, see, I disagree with that because if you're You've got to look at how you get your entries right. So this is why I try ā you can't explain these things in the coverage because it just takes too long. But if you don't score the first time you go in, if you don't score, then your defenders roll up behind and you get that in-out, in-out opportunity.
And that's where your inside 50s come from. So Collingwood ā sorry, Hawthorne last night had 14 inside 50s from those repeats. But they had 28 shots. Yeah, so you give the ball back. So you get the opportunity to have those repeats, right? So if you miss, essentially you're playing a half-court game again. So if you take your opportunities like Collingwood did, there's no repeat opportunity.
You go one inside 50, one goal. Righto, we're back to the middle. And because they couldn't get the ball out of the middle, they got smashed at centre bounce. They didn't get inside 50s from there either. So the fact that they were so accurate and so brilliant with their efficiency going in meant they were always going to have a low number. So what would you prefer?
Would you prefer the high strike rate of goals per entry or the volume of inside 50s?
Yeah, or Hawthorne kick accurately. I mean, they were 6-6 from set shots. Collingwood were 10-1.
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Chapter 3: How did Collingwood's game strategy impact their performance?
So, I mean, that's probably where the difference lies. Like if Hawthorne are accurate, then they're also... They have a lower number of inside 50s. They would have, but... It was a dominant display on the stat sheet from Hawthorne in pretty much all facets. I'm agreeing with you.
In all facets?
Well, yes. Contested footy, they smacked them. Ground balls, they smacked them. Inside 50s, they smacked them. Clearances, they smacked them. In all facets.
Yeah, well, that's where we'll disagree. Because I think if you look at the forward 50 for Collingwood, their ability to win contests, particularly at ground level, and not be outmarked, was a mode that they could win, and they dominated. No, I'm not taking anything away from Plum. This is where the stats can lie, and you can believe whatever you want to believe.
I'm not going to try and talk you out of it. But in terms of the plan that they put in place, it worked with Plum. Now, they got smack down the middle. And the actual defenders, the back six, did a great job to hold up against... What was it? So 19-5 out of the middle. Like a mauling. You just don't see that.
So they get 16 inside 50s from those 19 opportunities from centre-bounce, and they only score two goals. Like, if you give... John Newcombe the ball and say, you're coming out of the middle. You've got six one-on-ones ahead of you. You would think you would get a better return than that. Yep. So they did a great job to hold up.
So the numbers ā there are numbers in there if you really want to look and say, okay, this is an outstanding performance by the back six. A great performance by the Crummers in the forward 50. And a terrific plan not to expose turnover ball through the middle of the ground. So I ā I think the numbers are what the numbers are, but don't subscribe to all of them.
No, and I agree with you that it was an unreal plan. To do that was a terrific coaching performance. I said with about two minutes to go, this is one of his great home-and-away wins, if you can get over the line here, with no Penderbury, no Howart, no McCreary, those numbers against whichever ones you want to look at. And to possibly come away with a win would have been...
I thought they did a really good job on Hawthorne's interceptors. Barras was a non-event until the last quarter, really. They held him pretty well. They had a plan for Sicily with side bottom. Sicily still impacted, I thought, but they weren't as damaging off interceptors what they have been, Hawthorne. So, yeah, it goes to show how disciplined that Collingwood side were.
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Chapter 4: What statistical insights were highlighted about inside 50 entries?
But I think Sam Mitchell would be pinching himself. Play that game 20 times, they win 19 of them.
Yeah, see, that's why I don't agree. Really? Yeah, and I don't agree because... You think if these two teams played again... If the two teams... In six weeks? You're talking about the set of numbers here. I don't know what they're going to do in six weeks. I've got no idea. I didn't think it would be a draw last night. How can we predict six weeks down the path? You get a lot of feedback here.
The numbers we're talking about are the set of stats in front of us from last night's game. So I'm not saying this is every time this happens because you would expect to get a better return from 19 centre-bounce clearances than two goals. You would. So if that happens, you are a high chance of winning the game, no doubt, because you just don't see that sort of dominance 19-5 out of the middle.
The expected scoring is a good discussion because they had them winning by 40-plus points. They all thought winning by 40-plus points. But again, that's... Yeah, I'm not a subscriber.
I'm not a huge fan. I mean, it's a guide. I find a lot of ex-coaches use expected score. Ken Inkley uses it a lot. I think maybe Adam Simpson uses it as well. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm being unfair on someone there. But certainly Ross Lyon uses it. And if you're on the wrong end of it, You look at the expected score sometimes. I don't rate that stat at all.
In the end, the expected scoring is just conversion at goal. So that's, you know, I'd just prefer to look at that. And if you look at the conversion at goal, right? So everyone says, oh, we just kicked poorly. They really didn't offer up opportunities 0-30 from goal. So they defended that area really well, which took Gunston out of the game. Mm-hmm.
So there's a lot of ticks with what Collingwood did. And people reckon I'm bad for Collingwood. I couldn't care less who wins this game. To be fair, we're here to talk about the actual performance. You are a Hawthorne hater, though. Yeah, righto. Yeah, well, they probably should have won the game then, Cornsy. But... Almost full strength.
But let's not get bogged down with what we think of our people. Now, I think they've found a way. I think the former John Newcombe has to be recognised. He is probably one of the informed mids in the comp right now.
No doubt about that.
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Chapter 5: How did Hawthorn's performance compare to Collingwood's in key areas?
I know he doesn't want one.
He never wants one. I know he doesn't want one. Got a brown letter win. Yeah, that's true. All right, there's plenty to get through on this as well. Craig Kelly joined me. I want to just hold onto this because I think there's been a change of strategy when it comes to their list, which he revealed last night. So we'll get to that. And also his thoughts. He came in hot last night.
On my criticism of the club, resting Penderbury last night, cooking him in that Anzac game, playing him in 92% of the last quarter so he couldn't play last night. He would have been handy. We'll get to Craig Kelly's thoughts on that on the other side as well as your calls. 1-300-736-736. You're listening to Fireball. We're talking about Thursday Night Footy.