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"It's the same discussion every week" - Carlton fail again (5.05.26)

04 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 4.258 Garry Lyon

Let's start with the Carlton thing. There's been so much discussion around Carlton.

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5.46 - 8.825 Tim Watson

But that's the same. This is my point last night. It's the same discussion every week.

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9.105 - 19.161 Garry Lyon

I know. The same discussion every week. Okay. But the solutions are different. And you came up with what you thought might be a possibility about Carlton departing with Michael Voss.

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19.361 - 26.932 Tim Watson

Well, at risk of upsetting anyone, these are my thoughts. Yeah. So they're going to either keep him, which is a live option.

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Chapter 2: Why is Carlton's performance a recurring discussion?

26.952 - 38.147 Tim Watson

They might just say, no, no, we've committed to you. Graham Wright might say, we went through this process at the end of last year. We said, no, we're going to keep him. Even if he gets rough, we said to him, we'll see you the whole way through. That might happen.

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38.487 - 49.021 Garry Lyon

History says it won't. Just on that point, do you think that they're demoralized now and there needs to be and has to be a circuit breaker? The fans are demoralised. They're leaving games now before the final siren.

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49.122 - 63.282 Tim Watson

Yeah, it's a whole club situation now. So the fans are leaving, the sponsors then, you know, you want the sponsors to recommit and all those sorts of things. Anyway, you and I have worked together for long enough and hopefully 25, 30 years in the media. I don't...

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63.262 - 64.283 Garry Lyon

You don't chase coaches.

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64.303 - 79.865 Tim Watson

No, I'm not after a coach kill. These are the options that are available for Carlton. And that is, he stays, he gets sacked, and they say to him, look, coach the year out, but you're not going to coach beyond next year, which is... He would know that now. That doesn't work. That doesn't work to him. We know that that's tried.

79.885 - 97.911 Tim Watson

And then he gets sacked, and Josh Fraser or Ash Hansen, I think, is the other assistant. They take over and they run a process. And then I just floated last night. If you've got, you know, Adam Simpson sitting in the wings, which he won't do, by the way. I was just spitballing. But... Throw him in, embed premiership style standards into the club without the pressure.

97.951 - 112.033 Tim Watson

Like the weight just gets lifted straight away. They go off and do the search for the best possible coach because Simo doesn't want to coach, you know. And now you don't waste 14 weeks or however many weeks there are to go. I mean, you know.

112.638 - 114.122 Garry Lyon

There's a long way to go.

Chapter 3: How are Carlton fans reacting to the team's performance?

114.362 - 123.305 Tim Watson

Yeah. There's a long, long season still ahead of Carlton. Do you think you'll be coaching beyond next year? No, I don't. No, so why don't you make a decision then?

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124.528 - 140.492 Garry Lyon

For me, it's like... There are parts of what they're doing. Even in that first half against St. Kilda at the weekend, they were playing good football and they looked like they were well-organized and they had a great understanding about what they were doing and how they were doing it and they were competitive.

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140.512 - 146.903 Garry Lyon

All the things you'd think and you'd look at that and say, okay, well, this is a pretty good team. Except that that's happened every week for seven weeks. And it falls apart.

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146.964 - 161.302 Garry Lyon

So that, I mean, critically, if, and it seems to me, there's some issue here with the type of player that they have in terms of them being able to get in the trenches and work hard when they need to and fight when they need to and show some grit when they need to.

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161.803 - 176.887 Garry Lyon

And or there's an issue here with the conditioning of these players and how long that they can run and play high level elite football for. So you don't think they're fit enough? I don't know. If you look at the fade-out, then I think you've got to take that into consideration.

177.068 - 193.025 Garry Lyon

It's this, it's the personnel, and it's also the fade-out in terms of their inability to be able to play 120 minutes of football at that high level. A physical and mental fade-out. They've got... They've got players there that are mentally – I look at Wiedering as a prime example of this.

Chapter 4: What potential changes could be made to Carlton's coaching staff?

193.607 - 215.433 Garry Lyon

For a leader, to me, watching him play, he looks like he's retracted in his overall demeanour as a player. I think you're right. And he should be going the opposite direction. If you're a great leader, then you should be going in the opposite direction. But it looks like it falls so heavily on his own shoulders that he can't look by or past his own performance.

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215.453 - 233.484 Tim Watson

And he might not. I'm not saying he's a selfish person. No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. He might not be. When I say this, he might not be a natural leader. Jacob Wiedering. Like he might not, it's okay not to have that in your kit bag. Like he might be, you know, a strong back half organiser, all that sort of stuff.

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233.524 - 248.237 Tim Watson

But in terms of a football club leader, a leader for the whole group and the club and all that, that just might not be him. And what's happening and what we're seeing, I agree with you, he does look like he's sort of retracted. He shrinks. Yeah. Which, you know, I think the whole group do really.

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248.797 - 253.902 Tim Watson

There's no one that, you talk about Jacob and it's putting a lot on Jacob's shoulders, the whole group do.

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253.882 - 269.005 Garry Lyon

I'm only putting that on his shoulders because he's been there a long time and he is a recognised leader of this group. And then you've got others. And then they've got some good young players as well. You can't expect more than what Jagger Smith is really producing at this moment.

269.506 - 280.362 Tim Watson

Sam Walsh, I think he's got those qualities, but he's battled a bit with body and continuity, but I think he tries his guts out.

280.342 - 299.194 Garry Lyon

Do you think then, if you're selecting their next coach, and there are a number of coaches out there that you would be asking the question of, John Longmire, Nathan Barkley, Kenny Simmer, there's four guys there sitting there at the moment who've got vast experiences about building in terms of...

299.174 - 318.016 Garry Lyon

There's something around the Sydney Swans that they've been able to build as the foundation for their sustained competitiveness and successes. I know they missed out on winning flags, that type of thing, but they've been thereabouts. They've been building and they've got a strong foundation and it's been sustainable.

318.556 - 326.886 Garry Lyon

Is it that type of person you think that Carlton needs to bring in now or do you go for the new, young, shiny coach?

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