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The Shawn Ryan Show

#134 John Gentry - Unpacking the Information War Against the U.S.

26 Sep 2024

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5.583 - 32.282 Shawn Ryan

John Gentry, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. We have a variety of topics we're going to talk about here today. Your new book, Neutering the CIA, the polarization of the intelligence organizations. But what I'd like to kick it off with is, and what I was really excited to talk to you about other than that, is propaganda. Propaganda.

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32.262 - 66.459 Shawn Ryan

I've been talking about it for a while. I am not the greatest at explaining how it works and things to look out for, but I think you would be. And so I'd like to kind of kick it off with that. But before, everybody gets an introduction here. I don't know if I'm missing anything. Quite the intro. Dr. John Gentry, PhD in political science and a BA in history, retired U.S.

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66.7 - 97.487 Shawn Ryan

Army Reserve lieutenant colonel, duties mainly in intelligence and special operations arenas, former intelligence analyst at Central Intelligence Agency. You're a frequent writer on intelligence and national security issues, author of Neutering the CIA, Why the U.S. Intelligence Versus Trump Has Long-Term Consequences. co-authored, Strategic Warning Intelligence, History Challenges and Prospects,

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97.636 - 126.36 Shawn Ryan

and has published about 40 articles on intelligence topics. We're talking about some of those on the way here. Frequent public speaker on intelligence issues, former, excuse me, former Army Special Forces soldier and current adjunct professor at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service and teaches for the School of Defense and Strategic Studies at Missouri State University.

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126.34 - 157.258 Shawn Ryan

Am I missing anything? No, main points. But I have a subscription service that we offer to our top supporters called Patreon. And so I allow them to ask each guest one question. And so this question is from David Crosby. Do you feel Russia is acting with China or vice versa on a majority of our headlines?

157.913 - 180.107 John A. Gentry

Well, it appears that they're working together on some. My interpretation here is that Russia's got its own agenda. China clearly has an agenda too. I think with respect to Ukraine, for example, and Russian information operations we'll talk about, they're operating pretty much on their own.

180.848 - 186.669 Shawn Ryan

Okay. So you don't think there are they're connected in their propaganda wars.

187.03 - 198.383 John A. Gentry

Not that I see. Not that I see. They both are using techniques that the Soviets developed, but they've got their own agendas and their techniques are different in some respects.

198.582 - 225.967 Shawn Ryan

Okay, well, there you have it. We don't think they're together. But let's just move right into the interview. I really want to kick this off with talking about propaganda. So if you could kind of explain, maybe, just some basics on how it works and what people can watch out for. Let's start with kind of how it works. Okay.

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