The Shawn Ryan Show
#307 Ron White - The 2,500-Year-Old Memory Skill the Romans Used That We've Completely Lost
26 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Ron White, welcome to the show, man. Thank you. It's quite the honor. It's an honor to have you. I found you doom-scrolling Instagram, I think maybe a month or two ago, and usually my feed is all, everybody's gonna die, we're all fucked, you know what I mean? And then I saw you and I was like, dude, that looks interesting.
I think you were going up to people on the street and have them memorize stuff. Then I dug into you and I was like, holy shit. And then we found out you memorized all of the names of our guys that were KIA'd in Afghanistan. And so we decided it would be an awesome Memorial Day segment. So that was like two and a half hours.
You recited every single service member's name who was killed in Afghanistan. Yes. 7,000 words?
About 7,500.
7,500 words. How many names?
The official count is around 2,461, the DOD official count. On my list, I got the names from a website, icasualties.org. And on there, they had some civilians in there. And although the spirit of my list is the military names, I didn't have the heart to take those names off. So my list is probably eight or nine more than the official count.
Man. Well, that was impressive to see, man. And I think a lot of people are going to love seeing that. So thank you for doing it.
Well, thank you for the platform to do it. You know, there's a lot of Gold Star families out there that some of those names are 25 years ago. You know, Master Sergeant Evander Andrews, the first one was October of 2001. Wow. So that's 25 years ago. You know, I want Master Sergeant Evander Andrews' family and all those families that 20, 25 years ago to, hey, somebody still cares. We still care.
And so, and you gave a platform for that. So, you know, thank you. It's my honor, man. Seriously.
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Chapter 2: How did Ron White become a memory champion?
If my memory is extraordinarily average. if I'm not using a system. Amy, who's worked with me for 10 years, she tells, Ron, you got to make this phone call today. Ron, you got to email this person today. Ron, did you mail that IRS form in?
I'm like, no, I didn't mail the IRS form in. So it's a system. We'll get into all that stuff, but I am curious, what's your first memory?
I do have a first memory. I was about two years old. Two years old? But it had to have been two because I know where I was living. And it's just a blip. It's just a four-second memory of me being in the living room and somebody going to the door and my mom talking to that person at the door. And when I was in my 20s, I said, mom, I described the memory.
And she's like, oh, that was exactly the layout of our apartment. But I think that's just a fluke. I don't think my memory is anything special, but that is my, you know what though? That memory's special to me in the sense that it was, you know, my mom, my family, but I guess who else you're going to be around it too, right?
Well, let me start you off with a introduction here. Ron White, a two-time USA memory champion, a US Navy veteran, and one of the world's top memory experts. And you will tell anybody who asks that you were not born with a gifted brain, but you've built one. You joined the Navy Reserve after September 11 served as an IS-1 intelligence specialist and deployed to Kabul, Afghanistan in 2007.
You memorized the names, ranks, and order of death of every American service member killed in Afghanistan. 2,300 names, 7,000 words. You corrected that earlier. It was actually more than that. And have been writing them from memory on a 52-foot wall across this country since 2012. You've appeared on the History Channel, National Geographic, Fox's Superhuman, and Good Morning America.
And at every speaking event, you memorize 200 to 300 audience names before you walk on stage. Ron White, welcome to the show, man. Thank you. And a couple of things to knock out here before we get going. I have a Patreon account. Honestly, they're the reason I get to sit down with you today. And they've been here with me since the beginning. They've turned into quite the community.
And so what I do is that they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So this is from Scott. Ron, for someone who was diagnosed with TBI who struggles with some short-term memory, what specific exercises or habits would you recommend to help strengthen their brain and improve memory over time?
Well, on something like that, From a non-doctor's point of view, I'm a memory champion. I would focus just on good nutrition, health, going for walks, staying healthy. That stuff is going to impact your memory.
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Chapter 3: What impact did Ron's military service have on his memory techniques?
So a lot of my advice to him would be good nutrition and exercise and just trying to control your nerves a little bit. Stay calm. Stress is the worst enemy to your memory. So I guess it would be more general advice like that. And there are memory systems, such as the Mind Palace, which I know we'll get to today. And as far as a system, that's the one thing I'd tell him to focus on.
Roger that. One last thing. Everybody gets a gift. Oh, nice.
Nice. All right.
Not healthy, but it's gummy bears made in the USA, legal in all 50 states, so you're clean to take those home to Texas.
Yes, I will. I will be enjoying these, so thank you very much. Gummy bears are my favorite. I love them. It's like when you get a vitamin and it's gummy bears, you just can't eat one. You're like, dang, I just ate 5,000 of my daily recommended allowance of vitamin C. I'm so healthy. Thank you so much.
I do the same shit. Wow. So I want to do a little bit of a backstory on you, because I know this started as a kid, correct?
When I was 18, yeah, basically.
15. So I'd like to do that and then kind of go through a little bit of your life story and then how this all works. So where'd you grow up?
I was born in North Richland Hills, Texas, or Fort Worth, Texas. I grew up in North Richland Hills, which is just about 15 minutes away from Fort Worth. What were you into? Well, growing up, I was a pretty uncoordinated kid, but I loved baseball, and I still do. They'd put me in right field, and they'd hit the baseball.
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Chapter 4: How does Ron White memorize names and why is it significant?
That's what I'm going to start calling it now, the damn program.
But no shit. That's how it happened. So you just took the program that you were selling and it worked.
Yeah, I took his course. He laid it out. He laid out the system. And I did it. I perfected it. I probably had an advantage. I was talking to your security guy today, and I said, man, I'm kind of jealous of you in a way. I like jujitsu, but I can always think of an excuse not to train, right? And just take it easy, be lazy. I'm like, you are forced to constantly keep your training up. I like that.
And that's kind of the way it was with me with memory. I got lucky in a way. I took a job for a memory company, right? So then I was... forced to get good at it and perfect it. Had I just taken a memory seminar, I don't know if I would have had the drive that early on to perfect it to the level that I did.
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Chapter 5: What does Ron White learn from SEAL training about memory techniques?
I said, TC, what do you want? Are you going to shoot off a gun over my head while I'm memorizing a deck of cards? What are you going to do? He said, you need to make your training perfect. And this was him talking to me, and I'm sure you would feel this as well.
I don't know anything about SEAL training, but he said, Ron, we make our training so tough that sometimes it's tougher than the actual war. And when we get to war, we don't just win, we dominate. He said, that's what you need to do. He said, you don't want to train in perfect conditions. He said, I want you to get... It was the wintertime.
Chapter 6: How does Ron White train for memory competitions?
He said, I want you to get plastic playing cards. I want you to get snorkel gear and get a wetsuit, because it's 30 degrees outside, and you're going to train underwater. I'm like, what? I'm going to train for a memory tournament underwater? So I'm at the apartment swimming pool. I got these goggles on. I guarantee you, I'm the only nerd training for this tournament in a swimming pool.
And the water's seeping into my goggles. You know, I'm trying to breathe. I'm floating around. I got these plastic playing cards, and I'm memorizing underwater. But what it really helped me do was learn how to focus when all these distractions were going on. And that's what he wanted. And then I would get out of the pool and I would reassemble the deck of cards.
I got to the point where I could memorize a deck of cards underwater faster than anybody in the United States could do above water at a tournament. I had a trip to Australia during that time, so I didn't have to wear snorkel gear. And there was people all out at the pool. And imagine this. You're at the pool, and this guy's walking out there with snorkel gear, plastic playing cards.
He jumps in the water. He's memorizing a deck of cards. Kid's got a volleyball. It's bouncing off the top of my head. People are bumping into me. And I'm memorizing. And then I get out, and I reassemble the deck of cards. It was training like that. When we got to the actual tournament, so by the time we got to the event, the card event, it was like three events in.
Chapter 7: What strategies does Ron White recommend for memorizing names?
And so we're at the card event. By this time, I had already set a United States record. So all the TV cameras were on me. So I was getting ready to go. All these cameras around me, they were taking pictures. And the judge said, go. And when the judge said, go, I zoomed through it. I was like, this is so easy. There's no water going down my mask right now. I set it down, boom.
And then it was a minute 27 seconds, fastest in the United States at the time. And the judge flipped them over, Karen Pinson. And I remember, like it was yesterday, Karen said, we got a new US record. And she high-fived me. And there was some kids over here, my fellow nerds. They said, we want to protest that score. We want to protest that event.
And Tony Dottino, the founder of the USA Memory Championship, said, why do you want to protest that event? He said, when that event was going on, people were dropping plates in the other room. And they were. I hadn't registered when I was memorizing. But when they said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I did hear something. And they said there was plates, and it distracted us.
And a whole roll of people said, yeah, we couldn't focus after that. We didn't get it. And Tony DeTito said, well, this guy sitting right here, Ron, he just broke the United States record, and the plates were dropping when he was memorizing, too.
Chapter 8: How does Ron White connect memory techniques to faith and scripture?
Did the results stand? And that's when it really clicked in my mind. Man, this training that TC gave me was really focused in my mind to train with distractions. He had me go to country western bars and, you know, all these cute girls are dancing around or whatever.
And he said, Ron, I want you to go up to some girls, find the cutest ones you can find, and ask them if they will watch you memorize a deck of cards. I'm like, TC, that's the most awkward thing to do. Number one, it's not going to get me anywhere. No girl's ever like, oh, how fast can you memorize these numbers? I want to give you my phone number, right? That never worked that way.
But if she does, at least she'll remember it. That's right. That's right. Well, believe me, I tried that angle for the first couple years, and it does not work. Maybe it's just me that doesn't work. Maybe a different guy would work. So I'd be at Country Bar. I'd be at the restaurants. I'd have people staring at me. But it was his training. And I really owe OTC a lot. I'll say one other thing.
There was one day that we had to be up and training by 8.30 in the morning. I had to be training by 8.30. This day I wasn't. And we were doing our weekly call. And he said, Ron... He was a hospital corpsman in the Navy. So he was always having to listen to his guys. You know, they wouldn't, like you, you were hurt in boot camp, right? Is that where you were hurt? Yeah.
And you didn't say anything. That's so common, right? Especially with the guys with the SEAL mentality, the warrior mentality. They're not going to tell you when they're injured because they don't want to be taken away from their job. So as a SEAL, as the hospital corpsman guy, he had to listen for the things that they weren't telling him.
And he said, Ron, there's something, man, here that you're not telling me. I don't know what it is, but something's not right. He said, TC, I was not training by 8.30. I slept late today. He said, well, in the SEALs, when we didn't do something, we had to face a consequence. If we had a goal and we didn't get it, we had to face a consequence. It wasn't a punishment, but it was a consequence.
I said, well, what's my consequence, TC? He said, that's up to you. He said, personally, I didn't like cold. I hated cold. He said... She said, you decide. So I hung up the phone and I thought, I don't like cold either. It's lower than 30 degrees outside right now. I got a swimming pool here.
So I get my girlfriend on the phone and I said, hey, I'm getting ready to swim around this pool for a minute or whatever. But if I come back in a minute, could you send the paramedics to my place or So I jump in the water. I've never felt water that cold. I thought, oh, when I jump in the water, I'm going to get used to it, and this is going to feel good. That never happened. It was cold.
It was like jumping in a glass of iced tea. I don't know. It was less than 30 degrees outside, and I swam around. I got out of that water, but I tell you what, when I walked into that USA Memory Championship, I knew I could trust myself. I knew that if I didn't do something I said I was going to do, I'd face a consequence, I'd wipe the slate clean, and it was no longer in the back of my mind.
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