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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Saad Guru.
Namaskaram. Good morning to you, Saad. Good morning. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much. I've been really looking forward to this one. We actually tried to get you two or three years ago.
Oh, really?
So it took a minute. But I just want to say I'm honored to have you here. I'm very thankful that you're here. And I'm very excited to talk to you about a slew of different things. So you seem like a... person that has mastered being in the moment? What does it mean? Let me address this properly. See, what is being in the moment? I know in America, this has gone on like this.
Everybody's talking about being in the moment. For one moment, Sean, be somewhere else and show me. I mean, be present. Be present with what's going on. No, be somewhere else and show me, no? Is it possible? It is. Huh? Not in my mind. In my mind, it's possible to be somewhere else. See, if you sit here and think of New York... You're thinking of New York, you're not there, right? Correct.
If you think of yesterday or tomorrow, you're only thinking about it. So essentially, when people say, be in the moment, they're telling you, do not think about the past, do not think about the future.
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Chapter 2: What does it mean to be in the moment?
If you do not think about the past and future, you will be a dodo. Yes or no? Yes. It took millions of years to develop this brain to this level of capacity from a single-celled animal to here. And now they're telling you, don't think about the past, don't think about the future, because they don't know how to handle the damn thing. These kind of philosophies will destroy humanity. Interesting.
You are anyway in the moment. Why should I tell you, be in the moment? I'm telling you, think of a thousand things. What is the problem? The more you wish to do in this world, the more you have to think, isn't it? Correct. So, don't think about anything except what is here. It's a silly way to live. I have at least twelve to fourteen tracks in my mind all the time running.
Otherwise, how do you do everything? Well, how do you balance that? Why are you off balance, I'm asking? You ask a child, a toddler, look, this is walking, because he's yet to know how to balance on two legs. Do I ask you, how are you, Sean, you came walking down the stairs, how are you balancing? You'll think I'm stupid or no?
So, I'm saying, when it comes to the use of the mind, unfortunately, our education systems have left humanity largely crippled. They never taught you how to use this, they taught you how to use every other gadget in the world. Except this, this is the most sophisticated technology – human mechanism, isn't it? It is. And human mechanism is not just body.
It's a combination of body, mind, energy, emotion, everything together. Only when you handle all these things well, in some way you can do something significant and you also be well. Otherwise, if you do something significant, you're broken. Otherwise, you do nothing, you dope and sit in the corner. Is that the way human beings should live? No. So, I am not an expert in being in the moment.
The whole creation is in this moment. What is my business to be elsewhere? So you're telling me that your mind wanders just as much as everybody else's? Much more. Much more. Lot more. Many times more. And that doesn't bother you at all? Why should it? Well... Your heart is beating. Does it bother you? Should I stop it? Tell me. No. Your liver, shall I stop it? No. It's not bothering you.
So much they're doing, right? All of them. Your heart, liver, kidney, spleen doing many, many things right now. Is it bothering you? Shall we stop it? Only your brain you want to stop. What's your problem with that? Well, sometimes my thoughts do bother me. No, no. They keep me up. You do not want to stop the activity of your heart or liver or kidney or spleen.
But only your brain activity you want to stop. Why, I am asking you. I don't like it when I'm talking to somebody and I can't remember the conversation because my mind is in a completely different world, thinking about something different. So if your heart is working, your liver doesn't work, is it? It's a complex system. All of them work at once, isn't it?
So similarly, your mind is also made like this. It can do a thousand things at once. But unfortunately, we've made them so linear. with our kind of thinking, our kind of education system, our idea of how to look at science, all these things have made us so linear. Now, if two things come, confused. You've been in combat, if you can't handle ten things at a time, you're dead man. Yes or no?
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Chapter 3: How does our education affect our mental well-being?
Top 25 executives are with me for three days in a resort. I have nine volunteers. You know, our organization is a volunteer organization. There are over 7,000 volunteers. whatever number of, maybe 7,300 or 400 full-time volunteers, over 19 million part-time volunteers. All of them doing variety of work globally. So these nine guys are working for me.
As you must have seen, two volunteers came here and they've been communicating with your teams. Volunteers means they're not paid employees. They're doing it because they want to do it. So these nine people are going about doing whatever they're doing. These top 25 executives have this major company in the world, a company that everyone knows on the planet. I don't want to name them.
So they observe this and the second they ask, you know, they're always looking for attrition. They ask, Sadhguru, where do you get these people? I said, you don't get such people, you have to make them. How do you make them? I said, you have to make them fall in love with you. How do we do that? Then I say, first you have to fall in love with them. Then they say, oh, they don't pay us for that .
So, when your entire life is transactional, you live one way. When you operate out of inclusiveness of life. You made everything a part of yourself. Now it's different. See, right now, the air that you breathe as you sit here is coming from elsewhere, isn't it? The plants are exhaling, the trees are exhaling, we are inhaling.
The water that you drink is coming from elsewhere, the food that you eat is coming from elsewhere. This is a transaction. If you treat it only as a transaction, you'll live a very superficial life, which unfortunately is beginning to happen to modern societies. But actually, this is life-making material, isn't it?
The air that we breathe, the water that we drink, the food that we eat, our very bodies, we slowly gathered with these things, isn't it? So if you recognize that these are all the things making our life, this is not things to transact with, then we will treat them very differently beyond transactions.
When you conduct relationships beyond transactional value of what it is, there may be transactions, but if you treat it beyond transactional value, then the relationships are better rooted and they function much better. and more profound experience of life above all. After all, with life, there are only two things in terms of experience. In terms of action, another thing. Let's say three things.
When you sit here, for any human being, first thing is you want pleasantness of life. You want to feel pleasant. Pleasantness means what? If you feel pleasant in the body, we call this health. You want it? Say it clearly, Chand. Yes. Because if ill health comes, everything that matters to our life will go away, isn't it? Health becomes full-time job.
Right now there is health, so we do many things. No health, we'll do only that, pursuing health. So, when you say yes, don't say yes to me. You must say yes in such a way every cell in the body hears it. It's very important. Every cell in this body must hear that you want health. Mixed messages should not happen. Okay. So, pleasantness of the body we call as health.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of human relationships?
And after all this work, this much brain came. And now , this is the worst enemy you have? See, nobody… even you went to battles, nobody stabbed you. But from inside it stabs you, what is this? I must tell you this, a tragic story. I saw the stats for the vets committing suicide is horrendous.
This happened with a reasonably popular television anchor in India, in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad. She's just around thirty-three, thirty-four years of age, a young woman. One day she jumps off the fifth floor window of her apartment, kills herself. She leaves a note, no one is responsible for my death. My brain is my enemy.
I thought, this is the greatest gift we have, that we have intelligence. Why we are dominating this world is not because we are the strongest. Actually if we didn't have this brain, a colony of ants could dominate the human beings. It's our brain which made us who we are. But now brain is the enemy for most people. Some, unfortunately, they go to this extent that they take their own life.
Others, daily poking themselves and suffering in thousand different ways. You can call it stress, you can call it anxiety, you can call it distress, depression, this, that. You can give a thousand names. Essentially, your intelligence has turned against you, isn't it? If your intelligence worked for you, Would you keep yourself blissful or miserable? Yes. Blissful, isn't it?
So essentially, you don't know how to hold the sharp knife. You've been given a sharp knife and it's sharpened over millions of years to get this to this place, and now you don't know how to hold it. Isn't it a tragedy? It is. So that's what I'm trying to fix all the time, how to hold your stupid knife. Don't hold it like this, okay? Don't keep poking yourself or what?
You can use these fingers to do many things or you can use these two fingers to poke your own eyeballs. What is the point? So, this is what is happening because the hand has not been trained. So, let me use this analogy, knife and the hand. So the second part of this, first part of the mind, we call it as buddhi or the intellect. Sharper, the better. But by itself, it cannot do anything.
A hand should pick it up. Then only it works, the knife. The hand we call ahankara. Ahankara literally means the identity. See, you are identified as an American man. So you go and fight for America. You could die. Possible. Fortunately, you're here, but many did not come back. Because of your identity, you're willing to stake your life.
In many ways, life is the most precious thing, but our identity becomes larger than that. we are identified as American or Indian or this or that, white, black, yellow, green, whatever we are. Once we identify ourselves with something, the intellect works only to protect that identity. So if you see a knife which is sharp, the hand that holds is your identity.
So how you identify yourself is very important. If your knife is super capable, It's extremely important. The hand that holds it also must be equally steady and stable, isn't it? For this to happen, we devise something in the yogic systems. When we want to start education for a child, which was usually at the age of twelve, Today, they're starting at three and a half. That's a wrong thing to do.
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Chapter 5: What does Sadhguru mean by conscious versus unconscious action?
Action should be conscious, but most of it is unconscious. So everything that we can bring into consciousness, if you bring, suddenly you will determine the nature of your experience. See, if you can think of what you want right now, is everything fine with you? No. If you can think of only the way you want, is everything fine with you?
Chapter 6: How can we determine our experience of life?
Yes. That's all I'm saying. If you can feel the way you want, is everything great with you? Yes. If your energy functions the way you want, is your life doing fantastic? I believe so. Only thing is, you can't make the world happen the way you want it. To some extent, we can push it. But you can't make it happen totally your way. World will never happen your way 100% ever. And I'm glad it is so.
Because if everything happened your way, where the hell do I go? Little bit your way, little bit my way, little bit somebody else's way. That's the nature of the world and it's fine. But this one should happen my way, isn't it?
Chapter 7: What role does karma play in our experiences?
I see what you're saying. If this one happens my way, the quality of my life is determined. Like now, the world is making sure that I'm a failure . But because this one happens my way, I'm a blissful failure. If this one did not happen my way, failure means misery, isn't it? Because one thing that a man seeks is success in every action. The purpose of every action is success, isn't it?
Whatever the nature of the action. Whether you are going out there to save your country or you're doing yoga or you're a thief, the purpose of every action is success, isn't it? Yes.
Chapter 8: How can Inner Engineering help with mental well-being?
So right now, my actions are a failure. I want 8.4 billion people, but I'm getting only two. Failure. But what happens here, because I decide, I make sure this is a blissful failure. But normally, if things don't happen your way, you become miserable. This essentially means the external situations determine the nature of your experience.
Or in other words, you do not know the distinction between what is psychological and what is existentially true. Your psychological situation is your drama. It's got nothing to do with reality. You can sit here and you think you're in Afghanistan. You can sit here and you can think you're in Timbuktu. You can sit here and you can think you're in top of Mount Everest. But you're sitting only here.
Yes? Yes. In your mind, you can sit on top of Everest and feel cold also if you want. In yoga, we say – this is a classic example – if I take a piece of rope and throw it at you and say, Now, everything that a snake would do to you will happen to you. Blood pressure will go up, your heart will palpitate, somebody may even have a heart attack and die.
Everything will happen, but it's just a rope. Only thing is this, the rope cannot bite you, isn't it? Yeah. So the psychological reality and the existential realities are two different things. People have lost the distinction between the two. They don't understand, this is my drama, I need to direct it this my way. They're letting the world direct their psychology.
Now, if you leave it to the world, world is crazy, it'll never happen your way. When I say crazy, I'm not saying it's wrong. All I'm saying is it'll never happen your way, isn't it? Even if you're just two people at home, 100%, it'll never happen your way. 51% your way, you're the boss. You try more, nobody will be around you. Yes or no? Yes.
So do you believe that what you put into the world will come back to you? As if. Oh, you're looking at it like that. If you pump bad, evil into the world... See, if you take a stone, if you take a stone and throw it there, will it bounce back and hit your head? No. No. But you may trip on it if you're not careful. But if you throw it up, will it come and hit your head? Yes, most probably.
This is true with everything, isn't it? If you put it there, it is not going to bounce back and hit you, unless you try a golf ball. I heard you have a terror of the golf balls . If you throw a golf ball like this on a hard floor, it may come and hit back at you. But if you throw it up right above your head, yes, it's going to land on your head. Depending on the strength of your throw,
It may just put a small hole or it may go right through. So karma is just action. It will determine the nature of your experience. It will not determine everything in the world, but sometimes it does depending on the type of action. But the most important thing is karma is not determined. Karma is not determined.
A question of reward and punishment system, nobody's sitting there and giving you rewards and punishments. It's just that the residual memory is there within you. It will alter your reality. See, right now, I did something very wonderful yesterday. Now, that residual memory is there within me. Now, suppose you do something. See, you put something in this room which makes me sneeze.
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