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Did Trump's foreign aid cuts fuel the Ebola outbreak?

24 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 10.284 Jonathan Lambert

This is Ira Glass. On This American Life, one thing we like is a good mystery. Sometimes about really big things, but most times, the little mysteries are the best.

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10.584 - 15.611 Emmett Livingstone

Our lost and found is currently filled with pants. I don't know what, I've never seen this happen.

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16.051 - 16.712 Alexis Christophorus

Wait, this is true?

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16.752 - 23.641 Jonathan Lambert

This is true. Mysteries of every size, each week. This American Life, wherever you get your podcasts.

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24.882 - 36.628 Regina Barber

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. Hey, short wavers. Regina Barber here. And today I'm joined by NPR global health reporter Jonathan Lambert. Hey, John.

36.849 - 37.169 Jonathan Lambert

Hey, Gina.

37.85 - 41.033 Regina Barber

So you're here today to talk about the ongoing Ebola outbreak.

41.313 - 51.684 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah, it's been just about the only thing I've covered over the past month and a half or so. The outbreak has gotten really big, really fast. It's already the third largest Ebola outbreak on record.

52.204 - 55.688 Regina Barber

That's terrible. So where do the numbers stand right now?

Chapter 2: What is the current status of the Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo?

134.51 - 144.621 Tonya Mosley

This is Tanya Mosley, co-host of Fresh Air. Don't miss my interview with comic and storyteller Ali Sadiq. We talk about fatherhood, healing, and how prison changed him.

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145.182 - 152.55 John Connor

He's been out 29 years, but he says... These psychological wounds are different than my physical wounds.

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152.817 - 160.163 Tonya Mosley

Listen to Fresh Air on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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160.183 - 181.322 Alexis Christophorus

Every episode of It's Been a Minute, NPR's What's Happening in Culture podcast starts by asking three questions. Who? How? Why now? If the culture's asking it, we're talking about it. At NPR, we stand for your right to be curious and indulge your cultural curiosity. Follow It's Been a Minute wherever you get your podcasts, and we'll break down the zeitgeisty topics that are filling your feed.

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183.648 - 186.673 Regina Barber

OK, so, John, remind us of some of the basics of Ebola.

187.134 - 200.698 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah, it's a disease caused by a virus, specifically the ortho Ebola virus. The first known outbreak was in 1976 in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Since then, at least a couple dozen outbreaks have occurred, mostly from East to West Africa.

201.119 - 203.563 Regina Barber

So what causes an outbreak to occur?

203.662 - 216.876 Jonathan Lambert

Usually it's a spillover event. That's when a virus that typically circulates in non-human animals jumps from an animal to a human. Scientists aren't sure how many animals harbor Ebola, but they do know that it circulates in some bats.

217.477 - 219.959 Regina Barber

So how does this virus get from the bat to the human?

Chapter 3: Why are the official numbers of Ebola cases likely underestimated?

235.666 - 241.617 Jonathan Lambert

Ebola is a very deadly disease, and its deadliness stems in part from a kind of sneakiness.

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242.178 - 244.182 Regina Barber

Like how? How is it sneaky?

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244.499 - 254.574 Jonathan Lambert

So when the virus first infects a person, it goes straight for key immune cells. Typically, these cells help spur the production of antibodies, which allow the immune system to target a pathogen.

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Chapter 4: What challenges are faced in responding to the Ebola outbreak?

255.075 - 261.685 Jonathan Lambert

But by attacking these cells first, Ebola viruses delay this response. And that gives the virus a huge head start.

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261.905 - 262.947 Regina Barber

This is terrifying.

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262.927 - 275.506 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah, so the virus first goes to the lymph nodes, then to the spleen, the liver, and kidneys, replicating and damaging these tissues as it goes. I spoke to virologist John Connor at Boston University about this. Here's how he put it.

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275.786 - 292.09 John Connor

The cleaning and garbage disposal units of the body are backing up. And that backs up into the blood system that has a lot of negative consequences. And these cascading problems can be very damaging. And that's often, that's why you get to death.

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292.205 - 300.477 Jonathan Lambert

One major cause of death is just loss of all these fluids through vomiting and diarrhea. Patients can lose up to 10 liters a day.

301.078 - 302.34 Regina Barber

That is so much.

Chapter 5: How did the Ebola outbreak spread undetected for months?

302.42 - 304.763 Regina Barber

That's like over two and a half gallons.

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304.963 - 318.623 Jonathan Lambert

Yeah. And it's through contact with those bodily fluids or handling infected dead bodies that the virus spreads. So, you know, we compared it to COVID earlier. It's not spread through droplets in the air like that. So Ebola isn't as contagious.

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318.944 - 321.267 Regina Barber

Yeah, but it still sounds like an awful disease.

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321.331 - 341.778 Jonathan Lambert

It is. And that's why health officials are really usually on the lookout for it. And over the last decade or so, countries like DRC that experience a lot of Ebola outbreaks have really beefed up their surveillance systems. For instance, they've built up lab infrastructure so they can test samples that might be from Ebola patients. U.S. foreign aid really helped build up those systems.

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341.939 - 345.904 Jonathan Lambert

And in recent years, it's helped outbreaks get declared relatively early on.

346.171 - 351.239 Regina Barber

OK, so usually they're caught pretty early, but you're saying that didn't happen for this current situation.

351.519 - 369.247 Jonathan Lambert

No. So when the outbreak was declared on May 15th, that initial death toll had already reached 65. I track outbreaks like these pretty closely. And when I saw that announcement, I had this like moment of panic that I'd somehow missed earlier reports because the numbers just seemed too big for a new outbreak.

369.407 - 369.968 Regina Barber

Oh, wow.

369.948 - 376.654 Jonathan Lambert

Now, health officials suspect the outbreak wasn't new then, and it likely started months ago, perhaps as early as February.

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