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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that anywhere from 24,000 to 81,000 people died from the flu during this past flu season. Hundreds of thousands more were hospitalized and millions were infected. And this is a moderate season. In the event of a whole flu pandemic, those numbers could be much higher.
There is more than 100 potential pandemic flu viruses that could start the pandemic.
That's Adolfo García Sastre, a viral immunologist at the ICANN School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York. He's working on a vaccine that could not only protect people from a pandemic flu virus, but all flu viruses. No more annual flu shots. He calls it a universal flu vaccine.
This shot that we are working on will protect not only against seasonal influenza, not only of this year, not only against next year and next year and next year and this year, but also will prevent pandemic influenza from an animal reservoir.
A vaccine like this hasn't been possible before because the virus that causes the flu, influenza, mutates every year, evading the previous year's vaccine.
But he says... The virus cannot change completely. If not, we will not recognize it as influenza.
And Adolfo and his team are working on a vaccine that can target all versions of the influenza virus, past, present and future, if they can find the resources. Today on the show, the science behind a vaccine against all flus and what scientists need to make it a reality. I'm Regina Barber and you're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.
Okay, Adolfo, what about the flu virus impacts why we need a yearly vaccine?
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Chapter 2: What is the current state of flu vaccination in the U.S.?
And that's the reason why the vaccine has three components. So there is what they call the influenza A and influenza B. A comes also in two shapes right now in humans that are called H1 and H3. And H refers to one of the proteins of the virus, the spike of the virus. It is called hemagglutinin. And that's H1 will be hemagglutinin subtype 1. H3 will be hemagglutinin subtype 3.
All these three variants are circulating in people. Some seasons, they are mainly H3s. Some seasons, they are mainly H1s. Some seasons, they are mainly B. But there is always H1s, H3s, and Bs causing infections in humans.
So flu A, which comes into H subtypes, and then Bs. Okay.
So we need three components, right? But each one of these viruses change every year. And they do so to avoid pre-existing immunity.
Right.
And the vaccine tries to cover the strains that are circulating. So we make the vaccine for whatever is going to be circulating this year. And the prediction comes from the surveillance that has been done for influenza to see what is circulating at any time in the year. And sometimes we miss it for at least one of the components. This year, for example, we miss it.
For H3s, there was this newest strain that became quickly very prevalent, and this one was not very well covered by the H3 component of the vaccine. Still, it provides you some efficacy, but instead of having perhaps an efficacy of 70%, prevention from disease, then it goes down to 30% because it's mismatched.
Right. So all of this refers to current vaccine strategies, like what we do now. That's based on targeting parts of the viruses that change. But what you're working on is targeting regions that stay the same in the influenza virus in order to make this universal flu vaccine. one that we wouldn't need to get every year. Now, historically, there have been barriers to creating this kind of vaccine.
What are they?
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Chapter 3: What is a universal flu vaccine and how does it differ from current vaccines?
So you need to identify these ones that are able to protect. It's like, let's imagine that flu is a cow.
It's a cow.
So let's imagine it's a cow.
Okay.
Already there. So you want to get protection from a cow, you need to target areas in the cow that will prevent damage to you, right? So perhaps you need to stop or cover the head with foam. Let's say that, right? And then the cow cannot do damage. Right. Or the feet. Right. Then even if they kick you, they cannot do damage. But if you cover the tail...
Well, the cow cannot give you any damage with the tail. Right. So there are some areas in the virus that we call non-protective. So we need to find the protective areas of the virus that are conserved.
And protective.
Yeah. Okay. And then we need to induce an immune response against these conserved areas by designing a vaccine that is different from the ones that we have because the ones that we have only induce good responses against the variable areas.
Variable areas, the parts of the virus that change.
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Chapter 4: Why do we need a yearly flu vaccine?
This doesn't move forward, right? At least, you know, I really would love if we can prove that this is the way for a flu vaccine. But, you know, to me, the discovery process, you know, to me is very exciting also, whether we can translate it for the good of humanity, even better. But just to find new mechanisms is very rewarding for scientists.
Adolfo, thank you so much for talking to us today.
Okay, good.
If you liked this episode, check out our episode on a vaccine trial that could end HIV. We'll put a link in our show notes. This episode was produced by Burleigh McCoy, edited by showrunner Rebecca Ramirez, and fact-checked by Tyler Jones. The audio engineer was Maggie Luthar. I'm Regina Barber. Thank you for listening to Shortwave from NPR.