As global warming continues and space technology improves, there is more and more talk about the growing possibility of a sci-fi future in which humans become a multiplanetary species. Specifically, that we could live on Mars. Biologist Kelly Weinersmith and cartoonist Zach Weinersmith have spent the last four years researching what this would look like if we did this anytime soon. In their new book A City On Mars, they get into all sorts of questions: How would we have babies in space? How would we have enough food? They join host Regina G. Barber and explain why it might be best to stay on Earth. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith's book A City On Mars is out now.Have another space story you want us to cover on a future episode? Email us at [email protected] — we'd love to hear from you! Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is the sci-fi fantasy of colonizing Mars?
You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. So there's a sci-fi fantasy that, as an astrophysicist and a Trekkie, I've been watching percolate all my life. And in the last decade, it feels like it's become more than fantasy.
Strap yourselves in. We're going to Mars. Not just a few astronauts. Thousands of people are going to colonize Mars. And I am telling you that they're going to do this soon. I would love to see, you know, a trillion people.
humans living in the solar system. Now the next Mars launch window opens in 2026. At the rate we're going here, you wouldn't rule out seeing some sort of mission there in a couple of years' time.
Some of you will end up working on projects on Mars, and I guarantee that some of your children will end up living there.
One path is we stay on Earth forever, and then there will be some eventual extinction event. The alternative is to become a space-faring civilization and a multi-planet species.
But I've always wondered, what would a space colony actually look like?
For a successful space settlement would require that you have essentially families living on the surface of Mars and that those people are able to have careers that, you know, give them the money that they need to sustain themselves and that they're also able to have children. And those children can successfully grow up and have their own children. That's Kelly Wienersmith.
She's a biologist and science writer. And she and her partner, Zach Wienersmith, spent four years researching space settlement for a book called City on Mars. And in it, they get into everything it would take to do this. They talk about the key real estate.
The moon, Mars, we're creating an orbital space station. And among those, Mars is overwhelmingly the best option.
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Chapter 2: Why is Mars considered the best candidate for colonization?
Okay, let's start with the first hurdle, which is like keeping people alive in space for a significant amount of time. The longest someone has been in space is like just over a year. That's not a lot of data for us to have for long-term effects of people in space. What do we know about the dangers of living outside of Earth's protective magnetic field, like on the human body?
Sure. So, you know, when you're in an orbital space station, you are under the influence of Earth's gravity, but you experience, like on a roller coaster, zero gravity. This reliably produces all sorts of terrible stuff for the body. The obvious stuff is loss of bone mass, which happens at a very rapid clip. Studies show about 1% bone loss in the hip per month. I want to emphasize per month.
You may ask yourself why we don't turn into like Harry Potter when the bones got dissolved and no one has been up for more than 437 days. That was the maximum time. Only a few people have been up for a year. Muscles experience very similar effects. People often get motion sick right when they get up.
They also lose what's called the baro reflex, which is that thing where you go from lying down to standing up and you get a little dizzy. That can happen in space so that when you get back to Earth... It's considered very impressive if you can merely walk after a few months. More subtle effects are things like higher rates of certain bacterial infections that we don't experience on Earth.
Might be due to stress, might be due to the zero gravity allowing bacteria to just kind of float around. And then somewhat especially worryingly is that you reliably experience vision loss, and we don't know why. And this happens even on short trips. The best version of this is that we lose some vision and you have to send up what are called space adjustment goggles or glasses rather.
The scary version is that there's some broader nerve damage that we don't understand yet that could cause cognitive effects if people were up in space longer.
Right. But this is, you know, a different acceleration due to gravity in space. orbit versus on Mars.
That's exactly right. Yeah. And that's important. So there's some world in which 40% Mars gravity makes things just fine. Like one of the things we worry about is having babies in space and zero gravity. You try to imagine like kids not developing bones normally, maybe 40% gravity is enough to make the body work out.
Or maybe there's even some world in which you wear like a weighted suit and that's enough to handle it. But we don't know is the problem.
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