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#103 How to Destroy Bad Ideas Without Killing Relationships [The Dionysus Program with Sean Devine]

19 May 2026

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Topics: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:01:23) - Reading the forward to Sean’s new book (00:09:30) - What problem were you experiencing that sparked these ideas? (00:12:30) - Sean’s early arrival to AI (00:23:15) - Identity (00:27:55) - Defining Apollo and Dionysus (00:34:47) - Understanding and uncertainty (00:38:26) - Tools to deal with uncertainty (00:50:27) - Tools for metabolism (01:03:25) - Ritual time and run time (01:11:30) - Building trust to have hard conversations (01:13:40) - The key pillars of the Dionysus Program (01:37:09) - Applying this thinking across organizations and life (01:45:28) - Applying Apollo/Dionysus to investing (01:57:10) - Observing the learning rate of an organization (02:03:08) - Closing thoughts Links: The Dionysus Program - https://www.dionysusprogram.com/ To support the costs of producing this podcast: Buy a copy of the Navalmanack: www.navalmanack.com/ Buy a copy of The Anthology of Balaji: https://balajianthology.com/ Sign up for my online course and community about building your Personal Leverage: https://www.ejorgenson.com/leverage Invest in early-stage companies alongside Eric and his partners at Rolling Fun: https://angel.co/v/back/rolling-fun Join the free weekly email list at ejorgenson.com/newsletter Text the podcast to a friend Or at least give the podcast a positive review to help us reach new listeners! Important Quotes from the podcast on Business and Entrepreneurship There is no skill called “business.” Avoid business magazines and business classes. - Naval Ravikant You have to work up to the point where you can own equity in a business. You could own equity as a small shareholder where you bought stock. You could also own it as an owner where you started the company. Ownership is really important. Everybody who really makes money at some point owns a piece of a product, a business, or some IP. That can be through stock options if you work at a tech company. That’s a fine way to start.

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13:00H | 21 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

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12:00H | 20 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

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