The Soper & Brown Show Podcast

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 21: Fridge Roulette

21 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl is getting a new fridge on Friday which means 1 thing: Everything Must Go!! We review the tape on Joey Chestnut attempting the Hot Dog/100 meter ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 17: Turtle fire's are not covered

17 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Dink of Day is rarely handed to the animal kingdom but today it is. Saddest movie moments in film history, what's on your list? Songs with White in th...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 16: Surface Searchers

16 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Are kids now getting worse at finding things? Or are we just getting old and cranky? Soper offers his daughter a choice - experience the concert or ma...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 15: Tie a 5lb weight to it

15 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

You know, as a reference point and for a "flex". Advice corner today tackling wedding gifts and can they be returned if the marriage lasts under a yea...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 14: Forgetting your wife for 300 KM

14 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Happy National Nude Day! Empty your drafts folks, send em if ya got em. The Golf Fight guy issues an apology and inspires Carl to try and forgive hims...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 11: Toilets and Potatoes

11 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

National French Fry day - who's got the best? How do you take yours? Toilet seat in your house; are you a lid resting up or down? Carl gets everything...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 10: Full Buck Moon

10 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Connor thinks an Instagram follow from S&B might give him the clout he needs in a new relationship. Chestnut vs Bolt in the hot dog 100 meter dash...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 9: Huffing Ass Gas

09 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Wednesday show so you know you're getting some confessions, plus an update from last week. You're flight is oversold - what compensation will it take ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 8: Some Snakes are Green

08 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Are you going to Rogers Stadium for a Coldplay show this week? We want to hear from you. Advice Corner on your Tuesday. Are you listening to Velvet Su...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast July 7: Thanks for your patience :)

07 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Podcast is back up and we return to regularly scheduled pod stuff. Is Carl experiencing Oasis fomo? Black Sabbath wrap up their career with an epic sh...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 26: How about both tonight?

26 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Our Dink of the Day requires more punishment. Maybe an even bigger jerk is the 22 year old Chicago White Sox fan now banned from all MLB stadiums. Dra...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 25: Sturdy Estonian's

25 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Soper dreams of parkour but hopefully with a better outcome than this thief from Houston. Groceries that get wasted - huge pet peeve. Confessions - Ro...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 24: Taste My Sandals

24 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl has lost a psychological war to his dogs, he's a beaten man. Advice Corner today tackling how to tell your partner that their mother can't join y...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 23: 90's solutions

23 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

The Soper's ran into some old school problems this weekend - so they turned to the Brown's for help. Arkells "the Rally" on Saturday in Hamilton and C...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 20: The Feisty Otter

20 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I'm feeling thirst just thinking about it. Need more than your non driving hand to move a mattress. Having a look at the Canal Days lineup. Tomorrow i...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 19: Roadside Melons

19 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

You come across a spill of watermelons - do you take 1 for yourself? A transport truck was broken into in Colorado; what was stolen? Over 2800 Nintend...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 18: Sniff Me Before I Go Go

18 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Confessions today tackling a lonely pie, a lost record collection, a fit husband. The Florida Panthers are cup champions again and Corey Perry isn't. ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 17: Funky Muchachos

17 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Things are starting to return to somewhat normal. Still missing a few pieces of the S&B show. But Carl Brown the Science Guy shows up. Something a...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 17: We Begin Again

17 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

1st day under a new ownership umbrella for the Soper & Brown show and all of HTZ FM. There's always some bumps and quirks along the way. We add so...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 13: Tough to appreciate greatness

13 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Folks said we were "on one" today. You listen and tell us. Fathers Day on Sunday, take something off the old mans plate. Friday the 13th in Port Dover...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 12: Beluga Man

12 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Brian Wilson passes at age 82. S&B discuss his influence and career and answer the question - was he drafted in the celebrity death pool? Carnival...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 11: The Sea of Tranquility

11 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Chicken Wing crimes persist in Carl's neighborhood. The waves of fruit popularity in the Soper household. Mat Siscoe throws out the nightmare first pi...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 10: You keep your soap

10 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

S&B look back on the road trip and all of the feedback and ponder the question: how do we top that one? Might be hard to do. Confessions dealing w...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 9: Uber Driver Death Metal

09 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Tales from the road as the boys flew back from Halifax on Sunday morning. The Make Carl Drive campaign has finally come to a conclusion. Stories from ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 6: Road Trip Day 2 - Audio Updated

06 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

New audio added to the podcast - now in its most complete version. disclaimer  Podcast is presented in its most complete form today. Lots of conn...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 5: Road Trip Day 1

05 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Soper & Brown hit the road in support of Niagara Children's Centre as the "Make Carl Drive" campaign finally takes off. Audio quality is a little ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 4: Halifax bound

04 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Thanks to the insane generosity of HTZ FM listeners we have raised over $20,000 for Niagara Children's Centre. We can't even begin to thank all of our...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 3: Stan Large needs a furnace

03 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Stan needs a furnace but is also passionate about the Oilers - what's a man to do? Should Soper & Brown keep a tally of asshole drivers - Ontario ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast June 2: Your 2025 Rock Search winners are....

02 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Tune in to find out. Great night at the finale on Friday. Soper recaps the ball hockey weekend. Bee escapes, liquor robberies and Carl chats wrestling...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 30: Mutual Chomp

30 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl's big and that can be lucky on occasion. Who steals a cat? The Happiness Inn in Niagara Falls doesn't look very happy. S&B hit the road to te...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 29: Doctor Doctor Gimme the News

29 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Dr. Pepper is following Matt Soper around - so we're drafting the best fictional Doctors. Where does softball rank on the Soper scale of amateur sport...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 28: G String Terry

28 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Are the men of HTZ nation starting an underwear revolution? We hear the tale of G String Terry at the forefront of change. Rick Derringer passed away ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 27: Trauma Bonding

27 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

S&B are joined in studio by 6 time NLL champion Matt Vinc to discuss his 3-peat victory with the Buffalo Bandits. Advice corner discusses trauma b...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 26: Happy Birthday Lenny Kravitz!

26 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Talented dude. Nothing else notable, that's for sure. What's the best place and time for a Hot Dog? The Indy 500 wiener race felt rigged. A woman watc...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 22: Silent Roar

22 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Rock Search Semi Finals night - make sure to visit www.htzfm.com and register for a ticket - it's free. We wrap up the Gilmour raffle with a draft of ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 21: Chicken Wing Stroll

21 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl introduces some new legislation. We encounter a remorseful biter and a remorseless couch pisser. We continue to raise funds for Make Carl Drive a...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 20: Keep the Drive Alive

20 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Firework weekends with 2 dogs is way different than 1 dog. Soper hears some hot tea on his poop walk. We continue to raise funds for the Niagara Child...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 16: A Fred in the Bed

16 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

He builds me stairs, he builds me cake and he rocks my socks. What an insane weather pattern this morning in Southern Ontario. Rock search 2025 top 6 ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 15: Guadalajara

15 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Things that make you laugh - the guaranteed giggles is our draft today. Doug Gilmour listens to the Soper and Brown show? Can you Rally the Vote for A...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 14: Bushcraft and Ass

14 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

That's what my algorithm is all about! Make Carl Drive but have we thought about how we get the boys home? Confessions - Scummy, Topical and Grim. Car...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 13: Sleepy Tuesday

13 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

How many HTZ nation members woke up late today? Advice corner dealing with age gaps and softball ringers. Make Carl Drive has officially crossed into ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 12: A Finnish Sandstorm

12 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

The whole country honored Darude! More tales from the Flag Football field. Want to join S&B at the Rally with Arkells? Then you must Rally the Vot...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 9: Merrittville Crawl 2

09 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Soper & Brown broadcast live from Merrittville speedway all morning as we prepare for the Crawl. Some mothers day chatter, lots of content with ou...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 8: S my P's

08 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Draft Day and we're discussing songs that feature Mom or Mother or Mama in the title. Carl vs the Clock for Seinfeld tickets. Merritville Crawl goes d...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 7: Pickled Herron

07 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

They're pickling those majestic birds? We discover that Carl is grossed out by loose teeth. It's finally time to execute the Blender Bet and it goes e...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 6: You're already in the pool

06 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We settle on the 4 ingredients for Soper's blender bet payoff. We uncover one of the worst Dinks of the Day. Advice corner - dealing with "cousins". A...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 5: The Delco Pooper

05 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

What a Dink of the Day out of Pennsylvania. What time can you start construction on the weekend? Mailbag on this Monday as we review a mystic S&B ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 2: Wheels are in motion

02 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We got an email yesterday from CAA that might change the whole game on the "Make Carl Drive" campaign for Niagara Children's Centre. Top 12 for Rockse...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast May 1: Disappointing Horse Names

01 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

That's a weak field for the Derby this year. Have we discovered the most expensive prank call in history? The Frustrations draft - what gets your goat...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 30: A man from Nantucket..

30 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We get a very special Machine call. Confessions as always on your Wednesday. Nude break ins, bad drivers and rage quitters. Can we "Make Carl Drive"? ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 29: Badminton is not your sport

29 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It was finally the first mow of the season at camp Brown. Also first bath day for Donut. Soper reviews his daughter's badminton skills. S&B advice...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 28: Bags of Happy Juice

28 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It sounds like a Brinks problem to me. S&B spent some time at Metallica over the weekend and had a sleepover with Afrim Pristine. The scariest cab...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 25: Nice Pan Flute

25 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl decides Joey Bricks' wrestling gimmick. We get some reviews from Metallica Night 1. The S&B Mini Putt challenge has crowned it's first champi...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 24: Chalking a Hopscotch

24 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We discover that Korea doesn't count ages like we do and Carl has a puppy, not a 2 year old dog. Our first ever Rebel Yell off for Billy Idol tickets....

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 23: Fat & Stupid

23 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

And Carl is both as we reveal the results of Matt's IQ test. Confessions on your Wednesday. If Korn is releasing dog products under the Freak on a Lea...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 22: Wanna Split a "Big Jim"?

22 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

S&B sample a Big Jim Meat sandwich. Lots of catch up after an Easter weekend. Talking NHL playoffs, a WrestleMania that left some disappointed and...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 17: Out of Ketchup

17 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I think we just do the show with a dog in the studio now. It's a Great Thursday just ahead of a Good Friday. Soper & Hobson agree to terms on the ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 16: Donut Day

16 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl and his wife adopted a new dog and he joins Matt & Carl in studio - welcome the official S&B side kick: Donut. Confessions is a spicy one...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 15: Juicy Dumper

15 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Soper & Brown advice corner, today we tackle 2nd hand engagement rings. Katy Perry went to space for 10 whole minute. Is it really necessary to ki...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 14: That jacket is ugly

14 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Matt & Marshall finally get to see the Minecraft movie and yes, Soper got swept up. The Brown's visit Chicago; lots of chat about the drive, the s...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 10: Have you ever eaten before?

10 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Our last HTZ tax return for $250. Our pal Afrim is working the VIP tent at the Masters and met an S&B listener. Drafting the best/worst minor inco...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 9: Flush the Pee

09 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

No need to let it mellow, just flush it. I get it, I know you want to conserve. We attempt in studio beer pong for the $250 HTZ return. Confessions on...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 8: We Learned Nothing from Jurassic Park

08 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Is it smart to bring back extinct species? Who cares baby! Dire Wolves LFG!! We open up the S&B Advice Corner. Did we discover the most complicate...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 7: Banned From the Potluck

07 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

The Soper's continue to deal with flood fall out. Alex Ovechkin makes history and Vladdy gets paid. We open the Monday Mailbag and we offer HTZ listen...

S&B Special Edition Podcast: The Trews Live in studio

04 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Wanted to separate this piece of audio from the Soper & Brown show today as we were joined in studio by Colin, John Angus and Jack from the Trews....

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 4: Funnel Mode

04 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

A man in Portland, Oregon can no longer put his blue recycling bins out safely. Cheyenne, Wyoming catches some heat from our D of the D. Matt & Ca...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 3: Thunder Slush

03 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Wet Basements rule the day once again. Every weather imaginable hit southern Ontario yesterday. Dodgeball beer league drama might split friendships ap...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 2: A Few Good Men on the 401

02 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Are you watching the 1992 hit film "A Few Good Men" on an iPad while doing 130km? If so, you were the Dink of the Day. Jeff can suck it. Confessions r...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast April 1: Nice Conch

01 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Is it pronounced Conk? Or Conch? Are both acceptable? Metallica tickets on the line as we play Seek & Destroy (2 Truths and a Lie with a cool name...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 31: Sod Poodle's

31 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Rock Search 2025 is upon us! Submissions are open on that and so much more at www.htzfm.com  S&B judge a beer contest and then had to find th...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 28: Lisa Doesn't Love us?

28 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I still think Matt said it too soon. It's the Carl Brown Boston Pizza Birthday Bash. Celebrate with us as we broadcast live from BP at the Penn Centre...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 27: Garage Doctor

27 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Sometimes trying to save money on a dentist will cost you more in the end. What the hell is the weather doing this weekend? MLB opening day - tons of ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 26: Main Character Energy

26 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

You know who never has to say that? The main character. The Soper boys take Buffalo by storm. Our dink of the day is a real loser. Confessions tackles...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 25: My Last Day in Tennessee

25 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It's not dink of the year territory but we have a tale of 2 huge losers in Tennessee. The Soper boys are Buffalo bound to cheer on the Sens. Advice co...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 24: Give Grill a Chance

24 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

I think John Lennon said that. George Foreman passes away at the age of 76. We take a look at the infomercial phenomenon. Carl did a kitchen rearrange...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 21: Let's Explore Soper's Hole

21 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In the British Virgin Islands! A Marina with many beautiful amenities. The Soper's take on Mandarin. Somebody bought Carl breakfast. We revisit our ch...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 20: Don't Say Daddy

20 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Trouble in Antarctica? What do you do if 1 of your scientists goes feral? A man in the UK had a unique dying wish. Draft Topic - the best Spring Thing...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 19: The Lana Line

19 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

The 2 stranded astronauts are finally home safe after 9 months on the ISS. Why is filling the propane tank such a pain in the ass chore? Soper is sick...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 18: Rose Lady

18 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Did your local bar have a rose lady? Someone who came in near closing and sold single roses to help some folks "close the deal". S&B Advice Corner...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 17: Irish Guacamole

17 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Soper decided he'd be green for St Patrick's Day so Jon fills in. We discuss FOMO and Carl's ability to even feel it. Disturbed torched some important...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 14: Hanging Sausage

14 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It smells weirdly meaty in the building today. Like cured meat meat. You know? National Pie day and Soper tries to downplay his hate of the beautiful ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 13: Couch Nest

13 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Who's snoring? We break down some audio of either Matt's wife or his dog - you decide. Elene Stamatatos wraps up her tour of Traffic duty with HTZ FM....

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 12: Moon Hog

12 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

How about you save some for the rest of us, Saturn? Lotta moons you got there, be a shame if they were weird little shapes. Should we open up the conc...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 11: Know Your World's Strongest Men

11 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

More spins of the Birthday prize wheel with a chance at $1000. Carl gives us some 90's World's Strongest Man trivia. The advice corner opens on a Tues...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 10: The Worst List

10 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

S&B may have finally discovered the worst list of all time. So bad that Carl actually decided to start tracking them. We have a great chat with th...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 7: Dinkless in Seattle

07 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

It's Burgoyne Bill day! We send Jon across the bridge in the traditional red snow pants to determine if we can put the shovels away. We launch Carl's ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 6: Jeff's and Sally's

06 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Some news about traffic Queen Elene Stamatatos. Our Thursday Draft - things that bug Carl. We will once again attempt Tradio for Carl's birthday. Our ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 5: Wasted Beef

05 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Listeners vs the Clock for City and Color tickets, one more pair to give away tomorrow. Confessions on your Wednesday as we cover power of attorney, a...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 4: What Bit Ya?

04 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

A woman in Boston got stung by a scorpion while grabbing her luggage. So we ask HTZ nation - What bit ya? Tuesday advice corner - who'd looking for a ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast March 3: Workplace Softball Tournament Trauma

03 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Oh my god, John Cena turned heal. The question on everyone's lips - what did Carl think? Monday Mailbag featuring some long butts. Matt is justified f...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 28: Expired OJ

28 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

If it's still sealed, it's still juice. Talking roll up the rim score, Carl's reading goals, Grocery gift cards. Matt & Carl's full chat with WWE ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 27: Suspended

27 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We address the Spotify podcast issue. Lots of chatter about Carl's return to the show. We draft times that S&B got into trouble. Fuel yourself wit...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 26: Long Butt Cracks

26 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Jon in the studio once again, and this time we put him through the IQ test, Is Jon a genius? Or should we be concerned? Ice cream makers, free gas and...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 25: The Peanut Butter Weirdo

25 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Jon fills in for the morning. Roll up the Rim is back, the actual Roll up the Rim. Will people be fighting about it? Jon makes an insane statement abo...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 21: Oh Canada

21 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl retakes the IQ test and finds his true self. Our lawyer says not to take that immediate $30k from Delta. The HTZ staff anonymous survey is reveal...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 20: The Test

20 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Carl takes an IQ test and we reveal the results. Canada and USA wrap up the 4 Nations Face off tonight at 8pm. Delta airlines is quick with a $30k off...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 19: Honey Mustard Pants

19 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

One of the cofounders of Nutella passed away, we've got unanswered questions. Did S&B give the earth threatening asteroid a bump? Bull Sharks are ...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 18: Every Lick Counts

18 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Back after a long weekend. Hope you didn't wait til this morning to dig your car out. We talk Canada vs USA on ice and what to expect Thursday. A grea...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 14: Fart Sweater

14 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

What do women hate to receive for Valentines day? Our final confession of the week for $250 to Charm Diamond center + some best of the rest. 20km goin...

Soper & Brown Show Podcast February 13: Calling in Sex

13 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

"Can't make it in today boss, got have sex with my wife". Could you make that call? Drafting songs with "love" in the title, maybe our deepest categor...