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An update to our AUKUS plans, and cashing in on horror

31 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 8.947 Alice Dempster

This is a Squiz Podcast. We're your shortcut to being informed. Good morning. I'm Alice Dempster.

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9.227 - 10.069 Andrew Williams

And I'm Andrew Williams.

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10.549 - 36.256 Alice Dempster

It's Monday the 1st of June. In your Squiz today, an update to our AUKUS plans, Ebola spreads in Africa, another poll puts One Nation ahead, and cashing in on horror. This is your Squiz today. There's been a big change over the weekend to our security deal with the US and the UK, which you'd probably know as AUKUS.

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36.677 - 45.934 Alice Dempster

If you haven't followed it closely, the plan was that the US Navy would give us a mix of new and used Virginia-class submarines. But now we're getting three hand-me-downs instead.

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45.914 - 46.274 Andrew Williams

We are.

Chapter 2: What updates were made to the AUKUS plans?

46.334 - 63.374 Andrew Williams

We got that update from Defence Minister Richard Miles, who was in Singapore for a big military forum over the weekend. And he was keen to look at the positives on this. He says it'll make things simpler and more cost effective. But others have said we'd be better off with vessels that come straight off the production line. It's not necessarily faster.

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63.434 - 78.537 Andrew Williams

We're still not going to get these subs until the early 2030s. And as for why it's happening... That's not entirely clear. Coalition Defence spokesman James Patterson says he wants an explanation on why this change has happened at Senate Estimates this week to try and fully understand the implications of it.

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78.601 - 91.426 Alice Dempster

Yeah, and there could be a few of those, the experts reckon. Firstly, the second-hand subs might not be as good and won't last as long. And there are also concerns that the US has changed tack because production of the submarines is so far behind.

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91.907 - 100.103 Alice Dempster

At least one analyst I was reading about says there's a chance that Australia has to accept these new changes because they might be all that America's willing to give us.

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100.167 - 115.624 Andrew Williams

Yeah, this is where it plays into sort of the broader conversation about our security relationship with the US. Another defence expert, Michael Shoebridge, said the US aren't building enough submarines in general, so they're keeping the more capable ones for themselves. Essentially, they're keeping the better stuff and we get the hand-me-downs.

115.644 - 132.644 Andrew Williams

So as for where we're up to with AUKUS in general, you might remember that the US began a review of that pact that we signed in 2021. after US President Donald Trump came to power last January. We've talked about it a bunch. And that did lead to some concern that the pact would be scrapped altogether. Now, that didn't happen.

132.764 - 145.159 Andrew Williams

President Trump confirmed last year when he met with our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, that the plans were full steam ahead. But it is worth noting that that review was never made public. We never actually found out exactly what it said.

145.207 - 165.284 Alice Dempster

No, so reports say this change might be linked to that review. And you mentioned our overall security relationship. As far as that goes, it seems okay for now. Pete Hegseth, the US Defence Secretary, was in Singapore for the same forum as Richard Miles yesterday, and he praised Australia for stepping up, in his words, when it came to lifting our defence spending.

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