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STACK with Jake and Ella

Introducing STACK with Jake and Ella

21 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What is STACK and how did it come about?

7.844 - 9.466 Jake Williams

Hello and welcome to The Stack.

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9.706 - 13.55 Ella Horne

In every episode, we'll be building a themed stack of six books that we love.

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13.57 - 23.56 Jake Williams

The podcast starts properly next week, but for now, we just wanted to introduce ourselves and The Stack and talk a little bit about what we're doing, why we're doing it. Ella, the podcast, how did it come about?

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23.861 - 41.383 Ella Horne

Working in publishing, I have quite limited choice around the books I read. And because I'm reading fantastic submissions and fantastic books that we're publishing and I'm working on, and I was finding it hard to prioritise reading for pleasure. And I think that is something that is relatable to a lot of people.

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41.423 - 55.03 Ella Horne

It felt like I would be able to better prioritize reading for fun if we had a real reason and a deadline. And also, I think we've got lots of fun things to share. And you were the obvious person. Books have always been a big part of our friendship.

55.145 - 65.92 Jake Williams

And I think so many people maybe used to read or don't read as much as they would like to. And it feels like an overwhelming amount of choice or what you should be reading or what everyone else is reading or what people are recommending.

66.081 - 70.948 Ella Horne

And I think I read recently there are 200,000 books published a year in the UK.

71.208 - 71.729 Jake Williams

Which is a lot.

71.969 - 83.245 Ella Horne

You just can't get through them, Jake. And I know you give it your best effort. But I think it can be really hard to cut through that noise and find the books that are really worth your time. And that's become our mission as we put this pod together.

Chapter 2: Why is prioritizing reading for pleasure important?

88.878 - 91.882 Jake Williams

What do you think people are going to get from us that's different to other books, podcasts?

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92.863 - 112.43 Ella Horne

I think there are some really great book podcasts out there. I think they are focused either, for the most part, on author interviews or book reviews. And I find both of those quite hard as a reader to engage with on a regular basis because... If I haven't read that book or if I haven't read that author, then I feel like I can't quite access it.

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112.63 - 132.942 Ella Horne

And I think for this, this just feels like every episode will be six books that are absolutely worth the hype in our opinion. And that feels quite refreshing in a world that is pretty negative. And I'd love to hear from listeners as well on their books on that theme. So it doesn't just feel like it's kind of limiting. And also, crucially, you're a boy and I'm a girl.

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132.922 - 134.464 Jake Williams

Which we've never seen before.

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134.484 - 135.906 Ella Horne

That's rare in podcasts.

136.967 - 145.757 Jake Williams

It's rare in book podcasts. It is. Ella, do you remember when we first met? Because we are friends.

145.918 - 150.563 Ella Horne

Spoiler. We are friends. We met at uni and we were both working in the student bar. Do you remember when we met?

150.864 - 166.64 Jake Williams

I remember. Maybe I'd met you before that. I'd been on the shift together. But I remember the first time I was like... That's a good one. It was a really busy shift. It was a really hot summer day. There was loads going on. Loads of people coming in to get coffees. And I think you'd been to the gym and someone was like, oh, we're so busy. Will anyone jump on shift?

166.66 - 180.755 Jake Williams

You literally spring to the rescue. You come in. You're not even in the uniform, but you're a supervisor. So no one cared. And you were just whacking out these coffees so quickly. And I remember thinking like... She's a marvel. She saved the day.

Chapter 3: What makes this podcast different from other book podcasts?

280.672 - 281.453 Jake Williams

That is quite hot.

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281.813 - 295.65 Ella Horne

Thank you. I think it's also because if you eat food and you're too full and you're not enjoying it, that's still a waste. And also that doesn't serve that author either. If you're hating it and determined to see it through to the end, then you're not going to go forth and spread the word about that book.

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295.732 - 298.115 Jake Williams

And we're quite different on that because I am quite a finisher.

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298.135 - 298.896 Ella Horne

Religiously, yeah.

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299.076 - 303.1 Jake Williams

Almost religiously, I would say. I couldn't actually name you a book that I've not seen to the end.

303.14 - 305.283 Ella Horne

I can't name you a book I have seen through to the end. I'm kidding.

306.003 - 309.307 Jake Williams

My hot take is books don't have enough merch.

311.009 - 316.175 Ella Horne

Is this part of your campaign to have a one day t-shirt? Yes. Get it out there early.

317.036 - 320.119 Jake Williams

Episode zero. Let's do this. Ella, what's your favourite book?

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