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Short Stuff: The wAve

Wed, 13 Nov 2024

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It’s a thrill to stand and, raise your arms, maybe give a woo! then sit down again, especially if you’re in a sports stadium. And especially if you’re doing it as part of a Wave.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Chapter 1: What is the wave and how did it start?

92.008 - 98.637 Chuck

And if you look at it as it goes around the stadium, it looks like a wave is moving across the fans.

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98.888 - 114.62 Josh

Yeah, because after they raised their arms over their head standing up, they would sit back down and the next section would do it and it would just move seamlessly when done correctly. For my money, it's one of the best things that could ever happen to you is to be in a really good wave. Oh my God, I find them so thrilling.

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115.321 - 128.945 Josh

I was really surprised to find that some people not only hate the wave, they're like, they denigrate people who like the wave or who do the wave. Okay. Okay. Don't get it. What do you think about the wave?

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130.549 - 150.303 Chuck

I was afraid you were going to ask me that. I knew it. I'm not a waver. Per se. I don't bemoan it. I'm not one of these people that's like, there's a game going on. Nothing like that. I just I got to a certain point where I like I don't want to stand up and throw my arms in the air and wave them like I just don't care.

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150.563 - 170.585 Chuck

Sometimes if I'm in the right mood and this is so lazy, I won't stand up, but I'll throw my arms up just to be, you know, kind of a good sport. I've seen that. Sure. And, you know, now that Ruby is old enough to go to sporting events, I will, of course, do full wave participant because that's something like a kid would really enjoy. I'm not going to I'm not going to rain on her parade.

Chapter 2: Why do some people dislike the wave?

170.985 - 177.347 Josh

Yeah. And now that I think about it, I might like the wave so much because I haven't done it since I was a kid, essentially.

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177.447 - 183.228 Chuck

So they didn't do it at the Wrigley Field. We went to the Cubs game together and I don't think there was a wave. What's there?

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183.428 - 210.76 Josh

No, they didn't. And Chuck, I was watching videos of waves today. They are a sorry shadow of their former self. If you want to see a good wave, I found a video called The Wave at Michigan Stadium 1984. That's a wave. The way that we used to do it in the 80s. So go check that video out and you'll be like, wow, that's a pretty good wave. Wave, Michigan Stadium, huh? Yep, 1984.

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210.84 - 232.02 Josh

Don't forget that part. So as wholesome as I think the Wave is, it turns out there's actually like a fair bit of controversy around it, specifically around who invented the Wave. And what's mind-boggling is there's two people who claim to have invented it, and they seem to have independently come up with it or debuted it within two weeks of one another. Isn't that nuts?

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232.981 - 252.123 Chuck

Yeah. Yeah. It's a pretty crazy story. And crazy being the key word here because crazy with a K, George Henderson, is our first entrant into the wave invention sweepstakes because he was a San Jose State cheerleader who graduated college, I guess.

253.104 - 275.405 Chuck

And this is in the 1970s and then was just sort of a freelance cheerleader for different pro teams and was working in A's game on October 15th, 1981, a baseball game for the Oakland Athletics playing the Yankees in Oakland. And you can watch this on YouTube footage from that game where Crazy George has a drum and he gets fans to do.

276.753 - 289.388 Chuck

A version of the wave, in this version, though, it's sort of one section goes and then the next section goes, whereas a true wave is just a continuous sort of motion and sections be damned.

289.963 - 309.726 Josh

Yeah, it's much more fluid. But there are a couple of points in that footage of that first wave in 1981, in October 15th, where they're going fast enough that it seems like they're, it does look like a wave for a second, but I get what you're saying. It's not what he was doing. Right. Yeah.

310.206 - 311.948 Chuck

So it was a version. It was a proto wave.

Chapter 3: Who invented the wave?

355.97 - 380.317 Chuck

That's right. And stop your email now if you're thinking Josh, Josh, the Colorado Rockies are a baseball team that weren't even around in the 70s, that was an NHL franchise first, and they would eventually become the New Jersey Devils. I had it right. You had it right. The second entrant into the wave sweepstakes is a guy named Rob Weller. He's from Tacoma, Washington, and was – this is so great.

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Chapter 4: What was Crazy George's role in the wave's history?

381.017 - 406.528 Chuck

He was known as the Yell King, a.k.a. the greatest cheerleader in UW history. So he would go on to host Entertainment Tonight in the early 80s. So I was a big fan because I was a little 10-year-old that loved Entertainment Tonight. Do you remember him? Oh, yeah. Oh, really? Okay, cool. Oh, dude, I watched Entertainment Tonight every night. I remember when it debuted. I was so excited.

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406.828 - 407.588 Josh

It was really funny.

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407.788 - 418.551 Chuck

Because it was like movie news, and that's all I cared about. Okay. But he called his, and I'm surprised this didn't, frankly, surprised this didn't stick. He called it the expandable cheer.

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418.571 - 446.2 Josh

Right. Yeah. He had like the right idea at first. He was just going the wrong way. So he did the wave. He had people do the wave, but it was section by section and it would go from bottom to top. Yeah. So at this one game on Halloween 1981, two weeks after that Oakland A's game, he was having people do the expandable cheer. And at halftime, the band director, Bill Bissell, came over.

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446.22 - 467.595 Josh

He said, hey, let me ask you something. Have you ever thought about taking that expandable wave and sending it outward rather than upward? You're expanding the wrong way. Rob Weller picked his jaw off the ground, hugged Bill Bissell. Tighter than he's ever hugged anybody else in his life and set about starting the wave.

469.376 - 474.058 Chuck

That's right. And maybe we should take a break here and talk about the fight that ensued right after this.

488.134 - 506.452 Dexter Thomas

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506.672 - 526.307 Dexter Thomas

So in this one case, two of the search results that I think were in the top 10 of the search results were Michael Jordan. It's a picture of Michael Jordan. But cops are still using it to make arrests. Police, they are trusting the software to lead them to the right suspect. But you're not even being told that it was used, let alone given any of the details about how it works.

526.467 - 543.581 Dexter Thomas

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Chapter 5: How did Rob Weller contribute to the wave's popularity?

Chapter 6: What controversies exist around the wave's invention?

Chapter 7: What is the significance of the wave in sports culture?

488.134 - 506.452 Dexter Thomas

Are there any pictures of you online? I'm not just talking about Google. I'm talking anywhere. Clearview scrapes together images from Facebook, from LinkedIn, from Venmo accounts. That database is now being used by police departments all across the country to match criminal suspect photos. And sometimes... it makes mistakes.

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506.672 - 526.307 Dexter Thomas

So in this one case, two of the search results that I think were in the top 10 of the search results were Michael Jordan. It's a picture of Michael Jordan. But cops are still using it to make arrests. Police, they are trusting the software to lead them to the right suspect. But you're not even being told that it was used, let alone given any of the details about how it works.

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526.467 - 543.581 Dexter Thomas

This is not Minority Report. This is happening right now. People are getting arrested and doing actual time in jail after being picked out by a computer. I'm Dexter Thomas, host of Kill Switch, where every Wednesday we explain the right now of living in the future. You can turn off the computer, but do not let the computer turn you off.

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543.741 - 548.845 Dexter Thomas

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549.045 - 551.767 Daniel

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551.847 - 557.05 Kelly Wienersmith

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557.17 - 566.756 Daniel

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566.896 - 574.621 Kelly Wienersmith

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574.901 - 584.605 Daniel

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