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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to Switched on Pop. I'm songwriter Charlie Harding. And I'm musicologist Nate Sloan. Conspiracy theory alert. Uh-oh. Nate, does Sweden secretly control all of pop music? This is a new one. You're thinking about it. Well, Max Martin is probably the biggest hit maker of the last three decades. He's Swedish. Yeah. Maybe there's something there, Chuck. Okay, okay. And he's making a comeback.
Taylor Swift has her forthcoming album. Many are very excited about it, specifically because she's bringing back Max Martin, who helped her make the 1989 album, which really helped her crossover into pop music. We've reported on the impact of Max and the world of Swedish pop music in the past all the way back on episode 24. Wow.
But given that he's coming back on that record and that the impact of Swedish pop music, I think, has only grown since we reported it way back when, I wanted to go do a little bit of a refresher. See if we can hear the sound of Swedish pop music. See if we can identify it. I'm so down, Charlie. From ABBA to...
max martin to robin i mean it's an incredible reach that this relatively small country has had in the global world of pop so i want to understand that phenomenon better yeah this haven of social democracy that invests heavily in the arts and arts education happens to be fourth globally for english proficiency has had an untold impact on pop music as you said abba really one of the defining moments their win on the eurovision stage
with Waterloo brings global attention. Of course, in our lifetime, Dennis Pop's Chiron Studios that helps build the careers of Ace of Bass, Robin, Mentor's Max Martin. We get NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Britney, and so many others out of that studio. And it really transcends style. There is, of course, pop, R&B, rock, metal, Latin, K-pop,
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Chapter 2: How has Sweden influenced global pop music?
You're earning shrimp sandwiches. I'm earning it. Oh, okay. Yes.
You're trying to get as many shrimp sandwiches as you can. Perfect. All right. Our first song, Lisa's New Woman featuring Rosalia. So, of course, Lisa is a member of the K-pop group Blackpink. She grew up in Thailand. She is a global phenomenon. You can catch her at the F1 Grand Prix or on the latest season of The White Lotus. She has this great collab with Rosalia. What kind of song is this?
What does this have to do with Sweden?
Chapter 3: What role did Max Martin play in shaping pop hits?
Well, I feel like the clues are going to be in the lyrics and some of the production and harmonic choices. I'm going to summon all of my Max Martin knowledge here and try and suss some of these Swedishisms out. Okay. First of all, very cool track. Yeah. Now, let's talk about that line with the aura, right? Yes. Can we hear that again?
If you let it swerve
Revving up my aura. Yeah, this is like maybe one site where you could detect a certain Swedish influence. Yeah. Playing with language in that way, taking a word and sort of breaking it down into pure sound. Maybe the meaning is less important than the rhythm and the feel of it. And then let's move to the production.
I detect the use of the lead vocals from Lisa as a part of the accompaniment as well. I can't say this for sure, but there's this sound in the mix that's like maybe a processed vocal that becomes this percussive sort of driving effect. Oh, the... It's almost like a DJ scratching.
I feel like that's part of the word aura chopped up, processed, and then turned into this sort of percussive melodic fragment. What's it reminding you of? Well, it reminds me of Max Martin's production on Ariana Grande's Into You. Yeah. Yeah. Where they take a fragment of the voice and process it into the baseline for the song. So there's this like economy of means.
You want to reuse material in creative ways rather than take something entirely new and put it into the track. So you're hearing hints of producer Max Martin and his techniques? It's called the Swedish principle of reduce, reuse, recycle. Why introduce new musical material into the ecosystem when we can reuse music we already have in the track in creative ways?
Well, it also creates a sort of glue. It keeps it within the universe of the song rather than grabbing some random sample, right? It brings you deeper in as a listener. Right. This song is produced by Max Martin.
No way. It is.
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Chapter 4: What are the defining characteristics of Swedish pop music?
frequent collaborator, Ilya, who really blew up with his collaborations with Ariana Grande. Ilya, born in Iran, grew up in Denmark, moved to Sweden, went to Hollywood, to the Musicians Institute. So a global, multifaceted producer with Ilya and Max Martin on this track. We also have songwriting contributions from Tuvlu. Tuvlu. Ah, the Swedish singer-songwriter behind...
Tracks like Habits and Cool Girl. Very cool. We also have that amazing feature by Rosalia.
And check out what happens in the track after the chorus when we go into Rosalia's verse.
Wow, that was cool. Wow, right? What's happening? Well, we have this beat switch. The tempo changes. It slows down. The texture becomes more sparse. In the background, we have, I think, the melody from the New Woman chorus, but it's become something very different. Is this the Swedish maxim of adapting to new trends?
Because this kind of beat switch reminds me of something you would encounter in the world of hip hop. A Travis Scott production, like Sicko Mode, perhaps. And I feel like one of the things that Swedish producers are really good at is having their finger on the pulse of what's happening in pop music. And maybe this shows a certain cutting edge sensibility. Or... Or... Even more cutting edge, Nate.
Yes. The world of K-pop, K-pop has to have a beat switch up. It has to have multiple genres. And so if you're going to have a Lisa track... with Rosalia. Do K-pop tracks have these tempo changes in them? That seems like. For sure.
K-pop tracks are written by people who love to show off their music school capacity to modulate into new keys and have tempo switches and do all kinds of surprising things. Fetch me the K-pop track with a, I mean, this is like a 10 to 20 BPM tempo drop. So find me that. It's very unusual. I think it really earns it because what we have, Lisa saying, I'm a new woman.
And then literally a new woman steps off into the stage. It's Rosalia. It's a total different vibe. Oh, it's a literal new woman. Yeah. So I think you've earned yourself probably at least three shrimp sandwiches here. Wow. This is so arbitrary. Okay, great. Yeah. Serve them up. You're going to need some role aids after this conversation. All right, let's move on to our next song.
Childish Gambino's Lithonia.
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Chapter 5: How does Zara Larsson describe her connection to Swedish music?
Or Dancing Queen, maybe? We have the bright upbeat pianos that remind us of ABBA. Another shrimp sandwich for you, Nate. What do you think of the next turn of texture? To the world of alternative rock?
I feel liberated.
thought of a couple of different things. Okay. Reminded me a little bit of like, I was like, I know that there's a, there's gotta be, what is the Swedish indie rock band from the 2000s? Do you remember The Hives? Are they Swedish? Reckless, heavy, fuzzed out guitars. God, that kicks ass. I had no idea they were from Sweden, straight up. Yeah. I thought they were from Detroit or something.
That's great. They got the energy. And the other thing we could point to is Max Martin is also a producer on this track. And he, of course, started out in rock and like 80s hair medley bands. And so we hear some of that heavy influence. So we have Max here again. Yeah. What was his band called? It's Alive, I think. Is that what it was? I don't remember. Okay. So what do we got?
I think you got five shrimp sandwiches so far. Earlier in the summer, we spoke about Addison Rae's album Addison. We covered a lot of interesting music off of that album. For sure. I don't believe that we listened to Fame is a Gun. It's a good one. Oh, I can kind of see the shrimp, like, fading into the horizon right now because... I am struggling to Swedishize this.
Let me see if I can goad you into a realization. What genre would you place this in? Like throwback to late 90s, early 2000s rave techno or something? Yeah, sort of dance pop. Dance pop, okay, yeah. And what emotion are you getting from the vocal that claims to be living in this glamorous life where fame is a gun? This sense of ironic detachment, sort of dissociation, perhaps.
So upbeat dance pop, four to the four, makes you want to dance, but some kind of darker ironic detachment? Yes. You're looking at me like I should have some profound realization. Who does that so well? Who does that so well? That's...
Maybe irony is not the right thing, but rather the contrast of the feeling that you need to celebrate despite some underlying darker feelings where you're dancing all by yourself. Okay. We're talking about Robin. Yeah. Yeah. Dancing on my own. I see. I see.
I'm in the corner watching you kiss.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of the song 'New Woman' in the context of Swedish pop?
You're going to have a stomach ache. And let's see why there wasn't just one per track, but it's obviously too late, so... The reason why is that I once had a layover in Stockholm and it was very early in the morning and we had been out very late the night before and had not slept much and we're not feeling that great. And the only thing available to eat was shrimp sandwiches for days.
And it was the last thing that you wanted at seven o'clock in the morning. I don't know. I could probably house a shrimp sandwich any time of day. Is it almost lunchtime? Is that what we're fixating on?
Yeah, that's what's happening. All right, here we go.
I have one last track for you, and I'm hoping to stump you. This is Bleachers' Tiny Moves off of their 2024 self-titled album, Bleachers.
Whoa-oh-oh Watching it all come down Watch it go round and round Tiniest moves you make Watching my whole world shake
Wow. I've never heard that song. I like it. Oh, that's cool. It's a great record. Jack Antonoff. Yes. Worked with Taylor Swift, who's worked with Max. What's the connection? What is it? The answer is producer Patrick Berger, born in Uppsala, Sweden. Yeah. He goes way back in the world of 2010s pop. Charlie XCX's Boom Clap. I love it with Icona Pop. He's worked with Lana.
He's worked with Carly Rae Jepsen. And he also produced Robin's Dancing on My Own. Patrick Berger, he also produced one of my favorite Santa Gold tracks.
Oh, really?
Can't Get Enough of Myself, which I have opined on on this podcast before, if you want to go check that out. But yeah, interesting. He's worked with Jack Antonoff on tracks like Take the Sadness Out of Saturday Night and others, and was a major contributor to the Bleacher's self-titled album, which sounds nothing like the rest of Swedish pop. So that was definitely a little bit of a left field.
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Chapter 7: How does Childish Gambino's 'Lithonia' reflect Swedish influences?
is intuitive music theory is just a language of patterns that are patterns that lots of people who are amazing writers have their own way of conceiving what those patterns are that might just use their own inner language of course interesting yeah so that mathematics might just be something that's like it's just in there
Sometimes, you know, I hear people say, oh, but it's so nice not having, sometimes to write with people who don't have theory down because they sometimes choose things that aren't really mathematically correct per se, but it makes it a bit more interesting. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, I think that we want to work with people who have a broad appreciation for musicality of all kinds. And oftentimes people, I think about like, Nirvana and Smells Like Teen Spirit is this like very unusual chord progression that is not a chord progression that like I'm sure some other people had used it before, but it's a really strange one.
Right.
And now like jazz performers copy that song because they're like, whoa, that was cool.
Right.
Yeah. I mean, knowing when to use these patterns and when to break through patterns, I think any musician can do whether they are trained, untrained. But staying too close to the rules is never.
Yeah.
Yeah. Because music is about expectations and defying those expectations. So we have to know when to say, like, now I'm going to throw that out and just do some wild and crazy thing.
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