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Chapter 1: What inspired Oti Mabuse's journey into dance?
Hello and welcome to Table Manners, I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here on a, well there was just thunderstorms but now it's blue sky, make your mind up London. Yeah, it's kind of a sunny day. How are you mum? I'm okay darling. I was going to wear a lemon shirt and I'm glad that I didn't come down in the same outfit as you today. Oh well, one in lemon. It's very strange.
Sorry, do you think it's telepathic? It's very weird. I don't know. Does anyone else sync their clothes with their parents? Maybe you can let us know because this happens a lot. Does your daughter sync with you? No. No, because I'm not wearing horse T-shirts or shorts. Yeah, I'm definitely not wearing them batty riders I tell you that she's wearing.
Do you know who I sync with? Who? Oh. Oh, it's in that one.
Yeah.
Producer Alice, can you get on the mic quickly, please? So you've just said, go on. I always sync with my twin brother. I mean, that kind of makes sense to me that you're twins. You're like genetically, you know, very... Combined. Combined. But I mean, yeah, you're my mum. Yeah. And you're very close. You're very close with your brother? Yeah. Oh, okay, nice.
But maybe it's because I've got such exceptional taste that you've inherited that from me. Maybe it is.
Maybe I will be shopping in Wallace and Paveze and East. Actually, I already shop in M&S.
Sahara now.
Sahara, okay. We have Oti Mabusi on the podcast today. And we're both really excited because we're so fond of her.
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Chapter 2: How did growing up in South Africa influence Oti's culinary preferences?
Cheese and onion. I'll do cheese and onion when I'm on my own, in the privacy of my own home and I'm not socialising.
Well, I'm just not kissing anyone.
No, well, there you go. So they have really good ones. Tato's have also really good ones. And I do think it's cheese and onion that they like. I'm not sure. But it's like a blue one. And then they are Keoghs. Keyogs. Which are, they taste more potatoey than flavour. But all of them are really good. No MSGs in them. So the flavours are like more natural.
Did you realise you were such a potato lover?
No. Until I went to Ireland. No. So can you find your potato cakes in London? I mean, in the UK now?
No, I have to go to Ireland and I stuck. And the nice thing about McDonald's is that they'll send me boxes.
Great.
So I'll just pack loads of them in my bag. I think I had like two packets. I'll just pack loads in my bag as a snack and then I'll just eat them.
Well, I guess that leads us on to rate your carb. Oh, God. Okay, so potatoes, pasta. This is Phil Wang's favorite game, by the way. We did not invent this. Potato, pasta, rice, bread, noodles.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the name 'Oti'?
And then they do get along and then they clash.
Okay, this is... And they clash. It's giving me... It's giving... It's giving Strictly Ballroom. Yeah. It's giving Off Campus.
Yes.
And I like those two together. Yes.
Okay, great. That's the best description. Okay, great. I've finished Off Campus in a day.
Me too. I've got to watch it. Mum, it's the girl from Mallory Towers. So I've been watching Mallory Towers with my daughter. Okay. And now old, what's her name? Daryl's all grown up now. She's grown. So are they at university? They're at university. It's very kind of coming of age. Okay.
It's the ice hockey world.
Garrett Graham. Ice hockey world.
And it's very, it's sensual.
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Chapter 4: How does Oti balance her career and motherhood?
forgot that you, cause you forget you're on camera and we just had those meaningful conversations, those spiritual ones, those, because I'm at a point where sometimes I'm like, is, is God a thing? And like, he was like, yes. God is a thing. And I'm like, what about Jesus? And so it's those conversations that we would have, just the two of us.
And every time he has to convince me, I'm like, but I'm having a bad day. And he's like, yes, God does allow bad days. That's okay.
So on this Channel 4 documentary, how many episodes is it? Four episodes. Four episodes. Can you explain to everyone what it's about? It's about you returning to South Africa. Yes. With your friend.
I'm going back to South Africa with my friend, Richard Cole, and I am introducing him to things that I love about the country. But as we're driving, and it's like from Johannesburg to Cape Town, it's a 16-hour drive. And then we go Durban, and then we go Porto de Tabeja, it's called. And then we do the middle of the country as well.
There are places that I've also never been, like Drakensberg, meeting a boys' choir, seeing them, how disciplined they are and how talented those boys are, going to the countryside, getting on a helicopter and just flying over Lesotho and then standing on the mountaintops and then finding out the culture wars that we used to have as different black peoples, the Zulus and the Ndebele's and the kings and the royal families, things that I didn't even know about.
And some of the fights they had and the tensions that they still have today. So all of that was introducing him to that, but also for me to find out more about another part of South Africa that I'd never learned. We met some incredible people as well. New dancers that I'd never seen. So we pretty much danced everywhere and the ref hated it. He was like, oh my God, yes.
He's like, please don't tell me all South African dancers. I was like, yep. All South Africans dance. We have some sort of cultural dance. And we danced Zuni dance, Xhosa dance. We did the first man, so the Khoisan, their descendants. They have their own cultural and special dance, which we did in the middle of nowhere in the desert.
And he loved it because then he started going, who's your favorite football team? And they were like, us now. So we had good conversations with the kids as well. It was just a beautiful journey, really beautiful journey. Did you eat well?
I think South Africa, it's a hidden, it's a secret how good the food is there. It's so good. It's so exceptional.
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Chapter 5: What traditional South African dishes does Oti cherish?
Your grandma lived with you? Yes, she did before she passed. Which one? On my dad's side. On my mom's side passed away, unfortunately. I think straight after Mutzi was born. So yeah, but on my dad's side.
Were you close to your grandma?
Very close. Because me and my sisters have a 10-year age difference. I always say that. I always make it longer. Me and Mutsi are 10 years older than me. So she's nine years older than me. And my other sister is seven years. And so they started dancing together.
nine ten years before i was around and so because they were already really good uh and were traveling overseas and were practicing um grandma took over yeah and took care of me which is great so your mom traveled with them yes because they needed the person to be with them grandma stayed at home and i was so important so important yeah
They are.
You were helping me this weekend. Yes, amazing.
I'm jealous of that. It's so wonderful.
I keep calling my mum. I'm like, please, please come. She's like, what's the temperature? And I'm like, it's 12. She's like, no, don't call me. I'm not coming.
You couldn't come today. You wouldn't know it was winter or summer.
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Chapter 6: What unique experiences did Oti have while traveling to Iceland?
Like tin baked beans. And they have to be baked beans, not kidney beans, not pinto beans, not black beans. It has to be baked beans.
So do you fry the onion first?
Fry the onion first.
And then you add everything else?
Then the garlic, then even the paste, and then you have your... Which paste? The tomato paste. Okay. Then you add more tomatoes.
Okay.
Then now you're testing me. And then you add... Woo! What do you add? Carrots. Carrots, because they take a bit of time to cook. Then you can add your peppers. And they're chopped up very small? Yeah, so long, long strings. Okay, fine. Very long strings. And then you add your spices. Which spices?
Paprika, cumin.
Paprika, cumin. It's a bit like a stir-fry.
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Chapter 7: How did Oti's family dynamics shape her dance career?
We're having, have you gone off anything since being pregnant?
No.
No, why you ask me now? Because I'm worried that I'm going to give you this. Can I have the butter if the worst comes to mind?
I can give you whatever.
I'm going to have potato. Cauliflower. Oh, I'm not feeding you cauliflower.
Thank God.
That's it. God, that's an interesting one to go off. I can't stand it. The smell. Yeah, I understand the smell is a funny one. The smell is cauliflower. Okay, there's no cauliflower in sight, babe. That's it. Thank God for that. That's it.
Right.
You can keep on chatting whilst I... Yeah, so how was it?
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Chapter 8: What does Oti's new book 'Slow Burn' explore?
You're feeding the veg, you know. Everybody, yeah. You're feeding. So when we cook, even if it's for 200, you just say, you know, the men eat a lot.
Do people bring along food as well?
No. Oh. And people come hungry. Oh, my gosh. They come with empty stomachs. Sometimes they come with lunch boxes. Oh, my goodness. To take food home. Tupperware to take. Oh, yeah. So we have these little cakes. We call them dikuku.
and at every wedding if like of course the the family close family and the ones that are invited they would have the wedding cake then you order another cake just in case the distant family we're talking the cousins they would have their cake but then the guests of the guests they would have to google And they would just take the gugui in a plastic bag or in a lunch tin.
So people bring their Tupperware with them?
They bring their Tupperware with them, yeah. Where was your wedding? It was in our house, actually, in Pretoria, where we live. It's like a plot. It's a big garden. And so we just thought, well, we're dancers. We can't really afford getting a venue and it's silly. And the house is here and we'll always have that memory. So we just did it in the front garden.
And music, was there any music there?
Yes. So South Africa, we've got loads of different musics. It was, I mean, we had to mix it. So there was South African music, which is like Guaito. We love R&B. We had some Latino. What is Guaito? Guaito is like township music. Okay. That is very big in South Africa.
Did any of your family come from townships?
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