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Chapter 1: What was the outcome of the England vs New Zealand Test match at Lord's?
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Hello and welcome to Tailenders. Hello and thank you for having us on Tailenders, your loosely weekly cricket-based podcast. No curfews allowed. Wow. Wow. Well, this is G-Force Greg James. That is Felix White. And that is Sir James Anderson. We have all assembled because we really wanted to talk about the victory at Lords for the England men's cricket team, which is full of positive stuff.
Some really good performances. But much like over the week of that test match, clouds have rolled in. And there are problems. There are problems. The year nines let themselves down on a school trip last winter, you might remember. And then the head of year decided to impose a curfew to stop any future problems happening. And that curfew has been broken by the head boy. And that is bad.
First time of asking. Yeah. But the first try, like, it'll be different this time, guys. We promise. First time. F***ed it.
Chapter 2: What issues arose following the England cricket team's victory?
So we will talk about the test match because it was, there was some really good stuff. But there is a situation. Where it's not funny. I would just think to myself, this is the worst imposed curfew since the first Gremlins, when that boy has had that Gremlin for four minutes and he's feeding it water just after midnight. It's as bad as that, execution-wise.
Yeah.
You worry that when curfews get put in place for grown-ups, you're like, oh, I think I might be a bit late for all that. Can that be the first question for Jimmy, please? Jimmy, how many curfews have you played under in your regimes and do you feel they're effective broadly, this week not included? That's a good question. I don't think I've ever been asked that before. I have all the questions.
Who's the best batter you've bowled at? What's your favorite curfew? Favorite round. What was your favorite curfew? But I want to know it so badly. I want to know it more than your favorite batter. What was your favorite curfew? I feel like my favorite curfew, if I've got to pick one. Well, we had one in Australia. Okay. When Ashley Giles was... Director of cricket.
I just remember lads going out, this would be two or three weeks out before the first Test match in Australia, and there'd be people in the hotel reception with clipboards marking everyone off like a school tray. It is the year nines then. At midnight? Yeah, so the lads are getting back at like 11.58pm. Yeah. Out of breath with like loads of sweets they just got from the shop.
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Chapter 3: How does the curfew situation impact the England cricket team?
Yes, Mr. Giles. Here, Mr. Giles. Do you have to be in your room or can you be in the hotel bar past midnight? Is it out of a building generally? It varies with the small print in the curfew contract. The curfew contract. The curfew contract. Mostly it's just being back at the hotel. I mean, yeah. Yeah. It is, well, okay, what were the emotions for you, Fee?
The emotions for me were, oh, for f***, when I saw the news break. And then I was like, that's kind of funny. Then I got sad about Ben Stokes. I felt sad for him because I don't want Ben Stokes to sort of, I don't want this to be the end for Ben Stokes this way. Not that I think it necessarily is. I just don't want... There's a lot of stuff. And then it just overshadowed the victory.
And we went through so much torment over the winter. And I felt sad about it. And now I just feel kind of bored by everyone saying, it's not on. It's just not on. Go on like this. Why are they doing this to us? Anyway, we should just do a quick sort of up to speed story check in with what this means in the context of it. So Joe Root will captain the side next week at the Oval.
That's the second New Zealand test. So Ben Stokes and Gus Atkinson have been omitted from the test squad following this incident in a nightclub after they went out and celebrated the victory on Sunday night at Lord's.
which you know that that happens as we know you know they go out you go out and celebrate victories and successes and that's an amazing part of it because you've got to celebrate those victories but the problem is is that there was this curfew that was self-imposed they were like we promise guys there's not a drinking problem there's not a drinking culture we promise like we'll show you we'll show you after the noosa incident halfway through the ashes where they all went sort of
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of player discipline in cricket?
essentially like a sort of resort or whatever and then got on it and we photographed getting on it and then there was the Ben Duckett thing where he was being filmed stumbling out of a bar or a club saying he's trying to find an Uber home or whatever it was and then the Harry Brook
situation which happened in New Zealand a few months earlier which the ECB had decided not to tell everyone about which is that he had been involved in a scuffle at a nightclub he was then fined tens of thousands of pounds and that was they were going to hope that was going to sort of stay under wraps to a certain extent that then came out so all of this is piled up
And then England had a terrible ashes and everyone was like, okay, this team aren't doing very well. And they look like they're having a laugh and taking a piss and literally getting on the piss. And now we're at this situation where... The story from the Lord's Test is people were breaking the curfew, which feels like not the story you want after a Test match victory. So that's the update.
Can I just quickly, just quick question, and this is not a loaded question. Has there ever been an England cricket team that hasn't got a drinking culture to some degree? Has there ever been an English Test cricket team that hasn't gone out drinking after games? in the history of cricket? Not that I can think of, no. Do you know what I mean?
Does this team have more of a drinking culture than other teams? No, I don't think so. I mean, the issue is not really the drinking bit. We don't know the details of if either of them was drunk, were drunk. By all accounts, they're not at fault for whatever happened, that incident. But it's the fact that after the winter... Everything that's added up, you know, it's just not a great look. No.
And especially with it being the captain. I was thinking earlier, like you put yourself in Ben Stokes' shoes after the winter that he's been through.
Totally, yeah.
The cricket wasn't great. He was getting it from all angles in terms of the standard of the cricket and the off-field stuff as well. So he's finally won a test match. You know, I can imagine that you just want a release and like... you know, just go out with it, go out with a mate or a couple of mates or whatever. And just, just with the relief of it all having that, what is it?
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Chapter 5: How is the Women's T20 World Cup being previewed?
Two weeks before the next test. Yeah. It's not like there's a game in three days. So the fact is that there was an incident that's actually drawn attention to them being out after the curfew. If that incident doesn't happen, then they could have been out till one o'clock and no one cares. No one knows about it.
And then we just, you know, England 1-0 up going in with a full strength team into the next game. But the situation we're in now is that, you know, it's just a bit of a mess, isn't it? After the winter just draws unwanted attention again onto that off-field sort of environment, culture. But yeah, it's not a great situation to be in.
I was just to answer your question earlier, Greg, I felt exactly the same that you did in that. But I don't know if people remember, but for the test, our main thing was that we were so excited after all the talking over not much cricket, just to have some cricket. And we've had the equivalent of two days worth of overs over on a pitch, which it's impossible to bat on.
And now we've got a whole new thing, but we just not talk about cricket. And I think there's just an element of sheer exhaustion at it. Like not even, there's not even a, like, this is cool. This is sort of an adrenaline fueled gossip, which Harry Brooke was a little bit. He has a little bit of a, like,
um rumor mill excitements about i think this i think every i've i've listened to not read lots of things then it feels like this week and it feels like almost everyone is just a bit exhausted of it and don't even want to get the knives out but i just tired the whole thing might be people involved as well and it's a sad place to be really well well that's that's true for definitely a lot of fans i feel i definitely feel that you definitely feel that i don't know what how
you feel Jim about that maybe similar we'd much rather be talking about fun cricket stuff but the other thing is that you look at Rob Key and you looked at the interviews actually with Brendan McCullum before the test and me you and I were texting about these and I was like this looks like a guy's not having a great time doesn't feel that joyful and then the Ben Stokes looked quite I didn't think he looked happy at all just look
quite knackered by the whole thing and it is kind of must be so draining to talk all the time and if you're not playing very well as well it's difficult and then this this rob key interview or the little soundbite that pops up on england the england instagram earlier is quite quite weird he's asked whether or not he thinks there's a drinking culture in the england team and this this was the answer is there a drinking problem with this team
Look, it's hard for me to defend this team at the moment in terms of that. Yet again, it was two players that went out. And as I said, I believe in the last... My dealings with Ben Stokes since he's been captain, I believe this is out of character. And I'm sure we'll find out more in due course.
I think you've got to say no there, haven't you? Well, the problem is that he's said no quite recently, hasn't he? But it's two or three players and it's turned out just even for the things that we know about, it's about six since he said that.
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Chapter 6: What insights does Izzy Wong provide about the England women's team?
So he probably feels like he can't say no anymore. But yeah, can I tell you what honestly I felt about that when I heard that? I really like Rob Key. I've gotten really well with him. I think he's a really intelligent guy, all that stuff. When they were talking about the selection after the Ashes, And he was asked about people being left out, basically implying Zach Crawley.
He said that they had trusted certain players too long. And I felt like that was a really difficult thing to hear, given that the whole shtick from the high-rocking team was that they were going to give trust and belief to a certain amount of cricketers to play however they want, well, how they wanted them to play.
And they were saying, it doesn't matter how many times Zach Crawley gets out like that, we back him to score a big goal.
100 or 200 matching one in every eight games or whatever and that's going to win us test matches so after he didn't do that eventually to say that they were actually too loyal to certain players really rubbed me up the wrong way because it made me feel like well so you're just throwing him overboard then and saying that the issue was your over loyalty to him you've given him the impression that he just needs to go and do it and do it and do it again and there's no consequence for the failure and so for him to now say that
he doesn't know where he is with this England team anymore. Felt like another version of that. Like why, do you know, it's the last thing I'd want to hear. I don't know where Jimmy stands on that, but it's just like, how is the team going to feel about hearing that publicly? I don't know.
It's a tricky one because like, I get his point of view because he has defended quite a lot of things that have gone on, whether it's selection, whether it's the off-field stuff. He's trying to give the guys a bit of rope to be adults, to choose the direction they want to go in, both as cricketers and off the field. Yeah, no, fair enough.
And it felt to me like seeing that was like, you know, how often can I keep doing this? Like how often can I keep trying to be loyal to someone with selection if they don't return it in terms of performances? How often can I say... No, there isn't a drinking culture and backing people and then not getting the loyalty returned.
So I felt like there was a bit of that in the interviews that I've seen. I think that's a very fair point. I think that's a very fair point. I hadn't sort of thought of it that way. It's just a bit of a mess. Owen, what do you think, Greg? What were your feelings when you heard that?
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges faced by the England women's team in the tournament?
Well, I just felt... I sort of feel sorry for everyone involved because I don't think... Well, okay. I know they wouldn't want all this to have happened.
so it might just have to come to a point where some of those people in the management team or Brendan or Ben hopefully not Ben because that's the person I want to see play cricket more than I mean I don't I don't really mind who runs the England cricket board or whatever or coaches I want to see those amazing players do really really well it might just be
that you might not be able to do this job as well as you thought you might, and that's okay. And I just feel like everyone's kind of worn down by it. And even before the series, I was saying,
how sort of bored i am of hearing those interviews and totally i don't that's not really why i like cricket that's not i don't really like sport for that during the test test actually i was literally said what you just said me and a friend was talking on whatsapp and i was saying we were both saying we would rather that one of the most enjoyable things watching test cricket is ben stokes out of form batting trying to find form that even that is
It's just great watching. So like you're saying, like it would be so sad if we don't watch Ben Stokes play for England because of this. I can't think of any batters I'd want to watch back more, even when they're completely out of touch. Yeah. So I guess, how do I feel? Is that it's, it would be okay if there was a refresh and just like hold your hands up and say, do you know what?
I don't, I don't know what to do. And I've tried all I can and I've worked really hard and I feel really sad about that. This is actually, do you know what? I sent you a message, didn't I, over the test. We were enjoying some of it and then we watched that McConnell interview during the rain break.
And I said, Fi, all I want is for them to say, we f***ed this and we didn't mean to and we're just going to... going to try our very best not to f*** it this time. Yeah. I just wanted them to go, I'm really embarrassed by it. Because, I mean, maybe that's not everyone, but I respond really well when I hear people say that. And they go, I feel really embarrassed about that.
I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. Let's try again. We tried, but it didn't quite work. But maybe now it's okay just to say, okay, tried that job. Let's go again.
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Chapter 8: What are the key players to watch in the Women's T20 World Cup?
Because there's obviously some amazing players. We want to make sure that those players get the best platform to become the next Joe Root, to become the next Stuart Broad, to become the next Ben Stokes, Jimmy Anderson. Yeah. that's what we want in the next 10 years is the best, whatever the structure is, whoever's in charge, whatever, you're paid loads of money.
You've got all the money in English cricket to play with. Just find the best people to do this thing, try a new thing. Maybe that's what needs to happen now. I don't know. Jim? Jim? Yeah, I don't know. I don't really want to like go to town on people because I've, been there and broken curfews and not done everything perfectly. So it's really difficult.
And then I know how hard it is on the flip side of that, trying to manage players and get them... to perform well and to do the right thing both on and off the field. They're both very difficult things to do. So I'm reluctant to sort of flying on it. You know, as we've mentioned, it's just a real shame. It felt like won the test match. You know, there's so many good stories coming out of it.
Ollie Robinson coming back into the team, Gus Atkinson five for Emilio Gay, 50 on debut. Yeah. It felt like an exciting... Right, here we go. Start forgetting about the winter now. We're 1-0 up. And instead of being excited about... Joffre Archer being back in the squad for the second test, you know, trying to build on that first test victory.
It's sort of all that energy and sort of excitement has just been drained out of everyone again. Well, okay. Well, maybe let's be optimistic because I like being optimistic. Reasons to be cheerful. Well, why don't we just see what happens at the Oval? And it's maybe just, maybe we should just take it in isolation and not be too boring about it. I don't know. Maybe just go, they messed up.
They have one match off. They're both back in for the third test. We go and enjoy the Oval and see what happens at the end of this series, at the end of the summer. I don't know. How do you two feel about Rooty captain and not Harry Rook? Fantastic. I feel good about that. I think, I think fantastic call.
I just think, I just think someone just needs a safe pair of hands that we just know where we're at just for like, do you know what I mean? Just, I think, because I think Harry Brook then having to answer questions about the drinking culture of a team, having himself just been fined for an incident before a game, just wasn't going to, just wasn't going to play, was it, for anyone? Yeah.
And he wouldn't be equipped to answer that. He couldn't answer that because in lots of ways, the reason Ben Stokes is being treated so harshly, always considering retiring, is because Harry Brooke did what he did a few months ago. And if he hadn't done that, then the curfew wouldn't have been instilled. So I don't think Brooke can be captain in this instance.
I think obviously eventually he will be, but I think that's very smart just to shield him from those questions because that would have been... and just let Joe Root talk in the lovely way he does and say, let's get on with cricket. Yes. What about you, Jim? Yeah, I agree with what you said there.
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