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Episode 134: FaZe -broky +s1mple, inflammatory comments, BLAST Rivals PGL Astana, Vitality v Falcons
Mon, 05 May 2025
YNk, moses, and SPUNJ are Talking Counter.Join our discord to discuss the episode with other listeners, ask questions, be our friends, and Talk Counter!https://discord.gg/xHxapmaJ00:00 Intro, 2:00 Jason’s inflammatory statement about s1mple and FaZe29:16 Chad’s inflammatory statement about elige and FaZe33:27 Retirement potential?37:30 BLAST Rivals discussion begins47:49 Janko’s message to Bob Bobinski1:27:41 Where does Vitality stand amongst the all-time great teams?1:38:27 PGL Astana coming up 1:47:09 When will there be a Brazilian super team?
Chapter 1: What inflammatory statement did Jason make about s1mple?
What music are we using at the moment?
uh i i throw in a hairy episode uh hairy intro tastefully i feel you know like when it when i feel like it's gonna have the most impact yeah could we get maybe like a poll uh in which of the intros which people like more yeah
Harry intro or the normal intro?
Well, I don't know if we'd call the normal intro normal, but I think we'd call it, you know, they're two different intros.
Okay, sure.
I don't want one to be... Who the fuck cares what the people have to say? You think they know what they want? They didn't know they wanted an intro until we gave them an intro. Then they didn't know the Harry one was cool until we played it to them. So we'll just do whatever the fuck we want and you all out there can either enjoy it or you can...
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Chapter 2: What did Chad say about elige and FaZe?
You know, you know, we should do we should open up an intro making competition.
You should just say like, like map core, you know, maybe we get a sponsor for that universal music or maybe Adobe will sponsor us.
Chapter 3: What is the retirement potential for players?
Yeah, Adobe of all people.
Look, we get Neymar together some Brazilian rappers on it, you know,
Now we're thinking outside the box. Gentlemen, let's not fuck around today. Let's get into it, shall we? Let's get straight into the fucking trenches.
No foreplay.
Chapter 4: What are the main points discussed about BLAST Rivals?
No, because Jason, you've made some inflammatory comments. The internet.
So have you. Don't lay this all on my feet. Some would say more inflammatory. Chad brought it up first.
I don't know, Jason. I don't know if what I would say was inflammatory. I think what I said was a well-disguised clickbait headline.
Oh, shit. Inflammatory clickbait headline. I don't think what I said was inflammatory.
I don't know, Jason. Some people on the internet seem to think it is.
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Chapter 5: What message did Janko send to Bob Bobinski?
Could you explain to me? I saw that Reddit didn't enjoy it. I saw the first 10 comments and it was all, what's this fucking moron talking about? So I just checked out of that thread. So what's inflammatory about the tweet I made?
All right, all right. Let's start with the news, shall we? So today it was announced that Brokey was benched, which was followed by tweets from the likes of Carrigan and Rain. Carrigan going to say this is one of the hardest benchings.
You know, Rain talking about the time that he had spent with Brokey as a player, seeing him grow up from FPL into the player he was, you know, winning the majors with and et cetera, et cetera. Which, you know, was... I would say a shock because there was no murmurs of it, even though you can make sense of it. But anyway, let's just stick with the news before I jump into opinion.
And then after that, they announced that Simple will be standing in during the stint of IEM Dallas, which is taking place in about two weeks from now. And then they will be playing the major with him. Then they announced a little bit after that, that Skulls will be standing in for IEM Dallas for rain. Potentially. Potentially.
Allegedly.
That's the state of the nation right now. So let's now get to your tweet, shall we, Jason?
Okay. Yeah, get to the tweet. Bring it up. Throw that shit up on the screen. I'll edit that in, yeah.
You'll have to. Now, the tweet reads, I long ago accepted that I don't think we're ever going to get simple as one of the best players in the world again, but he's not doing himself any favors by standing in for teams with massive issues and a recent history of underperformance. Jason, do you care to elaborate?
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Chapter 6: Where does Vitality stand among all-time great teams?
Wait, no, I want to hear what's inflammatory about that first. I'll elaborate. I'll go all day on that.
There's a few points here because we need to make sure that the context is given because the last stand-in stint that he did was for Falcons, who are now known as the Falcons. But this was Falcons last year when the roster was pretty bad and he replaced some pious and then Shanghai was dirt.
Now he's come into phase who are another team currently in turmoil, not living up to the namesake and not putting up the results. But I think this begs the question, what would you have Simple do, Jason?
What would I have Simple do? I think, I mean, the first thing I'd want to see more than him joining any of these teams, and I think it would be more beneficial, is go grind FPL. Like, honestly, go grind FPL and get your game back. And show teams and show other players that are competing that you're willing to put the time in.
If I go to his Faceit page right now, he played two games on the 28th, two games on the 25th of April, one game on the 22nd of April. His last grinding day of, like, seven games was April 1st.
Um, I mean, like, no joke, I think, yeah, funnily enough, but like that, that I think would be more beneficial to simple was if he's grinding FPL, if the Reddit posts that we see on simple are like, holy shit, look at the grind he's been on for the past six days versus here's him rage quitting a stream, you know, in the middle of a Counter-Strike game.
Like, that's what's going to be beneficial for you is showing the community and showing the professional scene that you're getting back into the grind and getting back into the mindset of competition. You're trying to get the edge back. No one's going to doubt this guy's skills. Like, I don't doubt that he's an incredible player and that his skills can be just as good in CS2 as they were in CSGO.
I doubt the mentality. I doubt the mentality more than anything. And I think first step for him should be showing that the mentality isn't going to be an issue. Show us that you're going to grind FPL for six days a week for three weeks straight. Show us on stream that you're not going to rage out and close the stream when you get pissed off and frustrated. Show us that you're working on your game.
I think that's going to go way, way far. way better in terms of him being a prospective player to bring into a team, a risk to take than joining teams like Falcons on loan for two months.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of PGL Astana coming up?
Well, he's in a tough spot anyway, right? Because he's still under Navi. So there's a big buyout for anybody who would actually want to get it.
A massive buyout. And yeah, there's obvious issues. And I don't envy the position. I know it probably feels like he's in a lose-lose. But I don't think this is the play of not playing, not grinding counter-strike and then going to be a stand-in. When a team that is crumbling and falling apart before our very eyes needs a stand in because they just made a desperate roster change.
That was that was that was the result of months of mediocrity. You know, like this isn't the conditions for simple to come in and thrive.
So your your position is that this is a bad choice for simple to make.
Uh, I mean, at this point, I don't, I mean, I think, I think it's not going to help him get to where he essentially wants to go. Like, here's the thing. Do you, does he want to still compete at the highest level or not? Like, do you actually want to is the first question because I have doubts about that. I imagine teams and players have doubts about that as well at this point.
And it's honestly fine if he just comes out and says, I don't really have the heart for it. I don't really, I don't really want to be on a top team. I don't really want to compete with, with that kind of a schedule, but like we're in this weird bouncing area where we're not seeing him work hard and maybe he is behind the scenes. I don't believe it to be the case. Maybe he is.
But he's not actually increasing his value by these standard situations where it comes in, the team still struggles. He doesn't improve the results. He doesn't particularly look great. He's working in a system that already has a lot of confusion in it. I don't think this is necessarily a bad decision in terms of it's going to make things worse, but it's not going to get him any progress.
So I'm just looking now, since he ended playing for Na'Vi in October of 2023, he played one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine series with a bunch of best ones in there for Falcons, which have a bit of a mixed bag as far as his ratings are. There's a couple of maps there that he has a really good rating. There's a couple there where he has a pretty average rating.
I don't know because it's a weird spot. Essentially, the question that I get left with from what you're saying there is, is the man up to the task? He's the only one who could answer that, but why would he say yes to this opportunity just because maybe he just wants to get back in the server and he gets to play two events and then he can go back to chilling again?
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Chapter 8: When will there be a Brazilian super team?
Why would he say yes to this if he didn't actually want to give it a go?
I think the problem is multifaceted here, because for one, what sort of offers is S1mple going to get? Even the Falcons one that he got was going to be the only one. First of all, S1mple isn't going to go to GamerLegion and stand in for them or play for them because they need an offer or because they want them. S1mple can only go to a team like FaZe, to a team like Falcons.
to a team like Liquid, you know, these big-name orgs that can, first of all, put a good team around them, and second of all, pay him, right? Like, I don't think, you know, he's going to, and maybe he should, like, that's a completely different conversation. He'll take a pay cut or, like, get a much, much lower salary just to get back into the circuit, right? That's one thing.
Second thing, like, yeah, he should have definitely played more CS and... made it clear that he wants to still compete on a tier one level that i didn't get that sense from him or or like from what he has been up to you know this year or probably ever since he was on the bench for Na'Vi, right? But then on the other side of things, it is simple, right?
Like we talked about those previous episodes, G2, Monacy, you don't develop players like that. They're generational talents. I mean, that's who Simple is. He's a generational talent. He definitely doesn't have enough reps in CS2, in pro play, like to be able to sort of
adjust his gameplay from csgo to cs2 i think that's what's going to hold him back to um deliver on a super high level but can he play better than broky did for them absolutely right the problem for me is
actually, you look at FaZe, and I think one of the reasons why Brokkie was struggling is, like, you bring in a leash for Ropz, you bring an aggressive player for a passive one, right, and sure, Rain does some switching around, but at his core, he's a more aggressive player, he likes to take fights, and then what is the AWPer going to do in that scenario when you already have Kerrigan and the leashes, the space takers, right, like, all he's going to do
is support right like that's going to be his main job just to support the riflers right like use a lot of utility all of that stuff i mean you don't want simple to be doing that for you necessarily and i don't know this is where it's going to be i'm just so excited to see man what kerrigan does with him
And if he's able to do this, because if he does something and they actually look good, and Kerrigan is going to be the best in-game leader S1mple ever played for in his entire career, right? Like, without a doubt. And he's a guy who can make it happen, and this would be his Austerlitz. Like, it would be his...
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