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The catastrophic risks of AI — and a safer path | Yoshua Bengio

20 May 2025

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Yoshua Bengio — the world's most-cited computer scientist and a "godfather" of artificial intelligence — is deadly concerned about the current trajectory of the technology. As AI models race toward full-blown agency, Bengio warns that they've already learned to deceive, cheat, self-preserve and slip out of our control. Drawing on his groundbreaking research, he reveals a bold plan to keep AI safe and ensure that human flourishing, not machines with unchecked power and autonomy, defines our future.For a chance to give your own TED Talk, fill out the Idea Search Application: ted.com/ideasearch.Interested in learning more about upcoming TED events? Follow these links:TEDNext: ted.com/futureyouTEDSports: ted.com/sportsTEDAI Vienna: ted.com/ai-viennaTEDAI San Francisco: ted.com/ai-sf Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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7.085 - 32.535 Elise Hu

You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas and conversations to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu. When one of the leaders in the field of artificial intelligence tells you to be scared of what's ahead, well, I listened. Computer scientist, Yoshua Bengio, is at the forefront of deep learning research and AI development.

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32.515 - 55.249 Elise Hu

And he's also a leading voice in the effort to reduce the potential risks of superhuman AI. He shares why the world should treat the risk of extinction from AI as a global priority alongside pandemics and nuclear war. And stick around after the talk for a brief Q&A between Yoshua and head of TED, Chris Anderson.

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61.743 - 100.605 Yoshua Bengio

When my son Patrick was around three, four years old, I came regularly into his playroom, and he was playing with these blocks with letters. I wanted him to learn to read eventually. And one day, he said, and I said, and he said, and I said, and then he said, Whee! Yes! And then something wondrous happened. He picked up the blocks again and said, Pa, Patrick, eureka!

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102.367 - 136.761 Yoshua Bengio

His eurekas were feeding my scientific eurekas. His doors, our doors, were opening to expanded capabilities, expanded agency and joy. Can you imagine a world without human joy? I really wouldn't want that. So I'm going to tell you also about AI capabilities and AI agency, so that we can avoid a future where human joy is gone. My name is Yashua Bengio. I'm a computer scientist.

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136.781 - 165.702 Yoshua Bengio

My research has been foundational to the development of AI as we know it today. My colleagues and I earned top prices in our field. People call me a godfather of AI. I'm not sure how I feel about that name, but I do feel a responsibility to talk to you about the potentially catastrophic risks of AI. To really understand where we might be going, we have to look back where we started from.

165.742 - 186.469 Yoshua Bengio

About 15, 20 years ago, with my students, we were developing the early days of deep learning, and our systems were barely able to recognize handwritten characters. But then, a few years later, they were able to recognize objects in images. And a couple more years, they were able to translate across all the major languages.

186.449 - 211.961 Yoshua Bengio

In 2012, tech companies understood the amazing commercial potential of this nascent technology, and many of my colleagues moved from university to industry. I decided to stay in academia. I wanted AI to be developed for good. I worked on applications in medicine for medical diagnosis, climate, to get better carbon capture. I had a dream.

212.943 - 249.47 Yoshua Bengio

January 2023, I'm with Clarence, my grandson, and he's playing with the same old toys. And I'm playing with my new toy, the first version of ChatGPT. It's very exciting, because for the first time, we have AI that seems to master language. ChatGPT is on everybody's lips in every home. And at some point, I realized this is happening faster than I anticipated.

249.51 - 271.302 Yoshua Bengio

And I'm starting to think about what it could mean for the future. We thought AI would happen in decades or centuries. but it might be just in a few years. And I saw how it could go wrong, because we didn't and we still don't have ways to make sure this technology eventually doesn't turn against us.

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