Chapter 1: What tragic event occurred at the biblical zoo?
Good afternoon, everybody. So what we're going to talk about today is a shaila that was making the rounds about six months ago in Eretz Yisrael. There was a tragic case that happened where a zookeeper in the Ghana Hayot HaTanachi, in the biblical zoo, was in the leopard cage, cleaning out the leopard cage, and apparently they didn't lock up the leopard well enough, and the leopard killed the guy.
So it was a terrible tragedy. They shut down the zoo for some time. It happened like right in front of people.
Chapter 2: What halakhic question arises from the leopard incident?
There were people that were there at the time that saw this tragedy unfold in front of their eyes. But after they decided to keep the leopard alive and to keep the leopard in the zoo, so an interesting halakhic shayla came up that relates to actually this past week's parasha. and that is that a sharan niskal is asr bahana.
When you have an animal that kills a human being, that animal becomes asr bahana. So in the world of halakha, this became a topic of conversation. Is one allowed to go visit the biblical zoo and see the leopards, considering that one of those leopards is the one that killed a person.
So the assumption of all of this is that there is some sort of Isser Hana'a on a Sharan Iskall, on an animal that kills a human being. And the Gemara of Darshans is from the Pesachim. The Gemara of Pesachim tells us about a Sharan Iskall where it says, and the Bryce of Darshans that it's Asering even if it's Shechted after the Gemara Din. And how do I know that it's Asering?
Just like a person who's who has no possessions. It's considered to be naki min chassav, that he's cleaned out of all his possessions. So a person is not allowed to get any hana'a from this shard because it's asr ba'ana'a. So there are really two parts to this question. Part number one to this question is, does it even count as hana'a when you go to the zoo and look at an animal?
Is looking at something considered hana'a? Eating something is hana'a, you know, other types of benefit, monetary benefit is considered hana'a, is looking at something considered to be hana'a. Then the second part to the question, or really I guess what would have been the first part of the question is, is this animal in fact isur-e-hana'a?
And there are many avenues to explore as to whether a leopard in a zoo that kills a zookeeper is in fact asur-e-hana'a. So we're going to deal first with whether this qualifies as HaNoah at all, and then we'll discuss whether this leopard is in fact Aser Ba'ana. So does it qualify as HaNoah when you are just looking at something, when you are just watching something?
So this is Gemara Pesach Hamdav Chavav HaMeral, where the Gemara says, that if one enjoys these sounds or these sights or these smells of hegdish, that is not a violation of mi'ila.
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Chapter 3: Is it permissible to visit a zoo with a leopard that killed?
He does not need to bring in Hashem mi'ilos, it is not a violation of mi'ila. However, the Gemara goes on to say, that it's still asr to do, to benefit from hegdish. in a way that one benefits from the kol, the mare, or the reyach of hektish.
So from that source alone, it seems that there is an isser hana'a even with mare, even with looking at something that would seem to violate some sort of isser hana'a. People enjoy looking at things of beauty and people, that would qualify as a legitimate hana'a. Now, Tosos, Masecha Shabbos, and Dav Chafalov says, wait just a second,
There is a Gemara in Sukkah on Dafnun Gimel that talks about the Simcha Spes HaShoeva. And it talks about how over the top this Simcha was, how incredible. The Gemara describes how they would juggle eight fires. Someone told me that if you look up in the Guinness Book of World Records, the most torches ever juggled is seven fires.
So, I never looked it up in the Guinness Book of World Records because I don't want to be disappointed. I'd rather believe that that's true. So, they have all these types of celebratory events surrounding the Simcha Spes HaShueva. And the Gemara describes that the illumination from the Simcha Spes HaShueva was so great, the light...
It was so great that even though it was nighttime, people in Yerushalayim, women in Yerushalayim, were able to be borer chitim. They were able to pick out the wheat from the Peseldas, utilizing the light of the Simchas Beis HaShoeva. And the Yerushalmi seems to assume, tells his quotes, that that was mutter to do. Not just that they were able to do it.
That's another possibility, that they were able to, but they didn't do it, because you're not allowed to get hana'a. from Hegdish, and these lights were fueled by Hegdish. But the Yerushalmi assumes, no, no, it was mutter for them to actually do that. And it was actually mutter to enjoy the lights of the Simchas Beis HaShueva, which would seem to be an indicator that it is mutter.
There are other couple of indicators that looking at something that's asr ba'ana is not a violation of hana'a. In the Tshuvos Machna Chaim, in Yerudei HaChel Beis, in Samach,
He quotes from the Gemara, where the Gemara describes how they would show the great miracles, how beloved the Jewish people are to HaKadosh Baruch Hu by picking up the shulchan and showing them, picking up the lechem hapanim and showing that a week later it was still fresh, which is miraculous that the lechem hapanim would still be fresh. It was out the whole week.
You leave challah out until the end of the meal sometimes. It's already stale.
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Chapter 4: What does halakha say about hana'a from a Sharan Niskal?
This wasn't even challah, it was matzah, and it was thick matzah. It should have been like a brick, but it was still fresh. A week later, what a tremendous, tremendous miracle. Well, how could they show that to people? People are looking at that, you know, I'll let you get handa'ah. from looking and from enjoying a sight of HaGadish.
The Gemara K'subas, Tavkov Gimel, talks about how after Reb Yehuda Anassi died, he would come back and say Kiddush for his family on Friday nights. So apparently they saw him, says the Chubas Mach Nachayim. They probably enjoyed seeing him. They were probably very happy. to see him, but you're not allowed to get hana'a from a mace. So how are they allowed to see him?
So he probably wasn't in physical form, but Machmechaim doesn't assume that way. He just assumes that he came and they saw him and they were getting hana'a from a mace, but that the looking is not considered to be a legitimate form of hana'a. So the Machmechaim suggests that maybe there's a chilik between Illumination versus looking at the Isr, looking at the thing that is Asr Ba'ana'a.
That perhaps we possibly like the Bavli, that it was actually Asr for them to be Baruch Hitim, and enjoying the illumination of Hagadish would be Asr, but looking at something that's Asr Ba'ana'a, even if you enjoy looking at it, would maybe not be problematic when it comes to Yisra'i Ha'ana'a. Where do you put looking at a leopard in the zoo?
What kind of hana'a do you get when people pay for admission to be able to look at these animals? Is that called direct hana'a? So maybe by that get there would not be called, you're looking at the thing that might be asaba'na'a, but it's not an inherent hana'a that you get. It doesn't enable you to do anything or to accomplish anything. It's just the looking itself.
So one might argue that that therefore is not considered anah. This came up, Rabbi Bleich wrote an article about this, about whether looking at something is considered anah. In 2007 there was an exhibition that was going around to different cities and it made a stop in New York of dead bodies. They had one in the Heisman pose and one sitting there playing chess. It's disgusting.
But people wanted to go and look at the bodies exhibit. So Rabbi Bleich wrote an article on the topic in Tradition at the time. It was later published in one of the volumes of Contemporary Halachic Problems. One of my Talmidim asked me about this because he was a pre-med student. here in Yeshiva, and he wanted to stand out among his fellow med school applicants.
So he figured a good way to stand out is if he becomes a docent at the Badi exhibit. How many of them are going to be able to say that they were that? So he wanted to know if it was mutter to do that. So that's where Bleich talks about this topic. But wait a second, is the whole thing asr ba'anah anyway?
It happens to be that whether it's considered anah to look at it, so that's again, that's the topic we spoke about. Rav Zid Beis Yosef writes in Yerudaya that you're not allowed to hear kol zemr shal avodazara or lehistakal b'noy shala. Avodazara is asr ba'anah, you're not allowed to look at it to appreciate its beauty. So it's not a slam dunk that looking at a leopard is not a problem.
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Chapter 5: Does looking at an animal count as hana'a in halakha?
When you're looking at it, it could be that it is a problem of an Isr Hana'a. So now we have to figure out, well, wait a second, is it Asr Bahana'a to begin with? So the Gemara in Sanhedrin of Tesvavam Beis talks about if you have a Nachash that harag, if you have a Nachash that kills, so you're allowed to kill it right away. It's Kimish Enigmar Dino, and you're allowed to kill it immediately.
So there is a discussion... in the Akhronim, whether in order for the Sharan Iskal to become Aser Ba'ana, it needs to be something that could be done as a Sharan Iskal, that nowadays you would be able to, al-Pidinei Torah, you'd be able to declare it as a Sharan Iskal.
One of the basic fundamental halachas by Sharan Iskal is, that the same way that we would carry out a capital case involving a human being, That's what we do with the Shar. So normally you need a Sanhedrin of Chav Gimel and you need Smuchim in order to kill a Shar, in order to kill the Bailim. So Mele, you would need the same thing for a Shar. Oh, so we don't have that nowadays.
We don't have a Bezin of Smuchim. We don't have a Sanhedrin of Chav Gimel that's able to carry out such a Din Torah. So Mele, you would think that it's not a problem. The animal does not become a Shar on Isdal. But not so fast, because this leopard was owned by a non-Jew. And a non-Jew, even in a capital case, you could be Dan Yechidi and Be'ed Echad.
You don't have the same rules of Din that you would have in a case of a Jewish person. So you don't need a Sanhedrin. You don't need Smicha. So maybe K'mis HaBa'ilim Kach Misas HaShor would mean that just like the Ba'ilim, You could even be Dan Yechidi, the Shor, you could also be Dan Yechidi, so maybe you can't talk about a Shor HaNiskol. So that's not abundantly clear.
That seems to be a machlokas in the Chacham Tzvi, as a chuvon, some peydalid, where he talks about a behim asnachri, that a guy was Boel, that it's ne'ereges b'din yachin, and it's a surah,
because of that because they can have a misas abaylim kach misas ashar and the Chacham Shvi discusses both sides of that issue so that is an unresolved dispute whether you can have a misas ashar when it comes to without the benefit of a Sanhedrin another point to consider
is that the Minchashinuk writes that if a Nachri is chayiv in Dinim like a Yisrael, then a shor shal Nachri shaharag is chayiv skila. But if you assume like the Rambam in Niskay Mamon, parakira lacha alef, that while it's true that Nachrim have an obligation of implementing Dinim, but they don't have to implement our Dinim, and Shor Aniskel is not one of the Dinim that they need to implement.
The Rambam writes that a shah who kills anybody is Ne'erag, but if it kills a guy, it's Potter. So the Pashtos of the Rambam, Menchashinuch learns it otherwise, but the Pashtos of the Rambam is because the Din of Sharan Iskal is not one of the Dine B'nei Nowach. And therefore the whole idea that a Nachri shah is going to become a Sharan Iskal may not be accurate.
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