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Avi Loeb on the New U.S. UAP Advisory Board | Disclosure, Data & What's Next
22 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the new U.S. UAP governance structure?
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Some people say that the information is compartmentalized in a way that even the president is kept in the dark. And the report mentioned that 40% of the phenomena that were observed cannot be explained in terms of human-made technologies, either from the US or what we know about it.
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Chapter 2: What role does Avi Loeb play in the UAP Science Advisory Council?
And in the same week, I'm being asked to lead the AP Science Advisory Council for the government to come out and admit that they're not doing their job. That's quite unusual, but also for them to ask scientists to be involved. That is very significant I think.
Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO Podcast. Today I'm once again joined by Professor Avi Loeb and this time it's a timely one because just this week we've learned more about the new UEP governance structure being put together in the United States which includes, among others, a science advisory council that Avi has been asked to establish.
there's a lot to unpack here what is this board actually going to do who is involved what sort of data will they be looking at and crucially if the work is limited to unclassified material can it really move the conversation in any kind of meaningful way we're going to get into the role of skeptics within the council the inclusion of Michael Shermer the relationship between his work and the Galileo project
and whether new findings could still end up classified and where Avi draws the line between open-minded science and healthy skepticism.
I do also talk to him about Dr. Beatrice Villareal's work on pre-Sputnik transients because that's been a real talking point and a lot of you wanted me to ask him about that especially around how scientists should approach unusual data points without either dismissing it too quickly or jumping too far ahead.
So as a conversation about science, transparency, government involvement, and whether this new advisory structure has the potential to make real progress, or whether it risks becoming just another layer of process in a field that we have seen plenty of that already. As always, listen carefully, make up your own mind, and let me know what you think. Please make sure you like, share, subscribe.
Do all that. Liking the video makes a massive difference, and sharing it, leaving reviews on the audio would be appreciated. Here is my conversation with Professor Avi Loeb. And welcome back to the podcast, Avi Loeb.
Avi, how are we? Thanks for having me. It has been a very exciting week, actually.
Yeah, for all of us, but for you particularly, out of nowhere, Avi, we got news three or four days ago now that there was going to be, it was a little confusing for folks at first because we thought there was a new UAP science group and then we heard it was going to be a part of a larger board that the US government was setting up. You were heading up the science wing of that.
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Chapter 3: How will the council interact with government agencies?
So can you take us there first off and let us know exactly from the horse's mouth what's happening, what's the group and what's your role?
Yeah, so the last week had three interesting events. First, on June 12th, Steven Spielberg released his movie to the public, Disclosure Day, and I went to see it. But a few hours earlier, I actually analyzed the real disclosure the third batch that the US government released.
And in it, there was a report from the director of the Oil Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, Dr. John Kozlowski, where he mentions an event that lasted two days in October, 2023, where law enforcement officials saw unusual objects in the sky, orbs that give birth to smaller orbs. And the report mentioned that 40% of the phenomena that were observed
cannot be explained in terms of human-made technologies, either from the US or what we know about adversarial nations. So that is a remarkable document because you would expect that if they thought that some of these or all of these objects are human-made, potentially they should have belonged to adversarial nations, then this would have been a classified memo that Kozlowski sends
to to the secretary of war pete hexer why should we why should it go to the public uh the fact that it goes to the public implies that there is something strange going on okay so these objects cannot be easily interpreted as human made and and in the same week i'm being asked to lead a
UAP Science Advisory Council that will communicate with a governing board, a UAP governing board that represents the White House, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, ERO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, the FBI, and the intelligence community.
So there would be representatives from all of these organizations, they already met once, and we serve them in the sense of providing scientific advice. Now, for the government to come out and admit that they're not doing their job, that's the report from Kozlowski, that's quite unusual, but also for them to ask scientists to be involved,
That is very significant, I think, and I feel that it's my duty as a scientist to do the best I can to provide the advice and guidance to the Pentagon as to how to resolve the nature of UAP. And here is the interesting point that if you don't care about national security, you might say, why should we, in fact,
cooperate with the government and we should just examine this subject scientifically and try to collect our own data. That's what I'm doing with the Galileo project. But the advantage of working with the government is that, you know, if the down-to-earth interpretation of the unusual objects would be to say they're human-made, and then it means that there is a breach of national security.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of accessing classified vs. unclassified data?
So that motivates... further inquiry that motivates investing funds in research and analysis of the data such that we can figure out the nature of these objects, because apparently adversarial nations are spying on their strategic assets within the US. which I would say is not a huge surprise by itself because there was the Chinese spy balloon discovered in 2023 and shut down.
And for every ant that you find in the kitchen, there should be thousands of ants hiding in the cabinets. So if you find one and there should be a lot of balloons that flew over the US that were not recognized and there could be a lot of drones and these orbs could be drones now.
If that is the case, which is the most down to earth explanation, which any intelligence agency should worry about, that means one has to put more research and effort in finding out the nature of these objects. And obviously in the process of collecting data, eventually it will become clear what they are, and there wouldn't be any uncertainty.
And that's exactly the transition from the time when Galileo Galilei looked through his telescope, realized the Earth is not at the center because the moons of Jupiter are moving around Jupiter. That was the first time someone reported that, but then the Vatican resisted. However, 350 years after Galileo died, the Vatican admitted in 1992 that Galileo was correct. Why did they do that?
Because there was so much data from spacecraft looking at the Earth, moving around the Sun, that it was foolish to argue otherwise. So the Vatican admitted that they were wrong. So we want to get to that point where everyone would agree
that we are being you know if indeed we are visited by some alien technology there would be conclusive evidence beyond any doubt and how do you get to that point by collecting more data so that it would be foolish to argue otherwise so that is the path forward it's not by arguing on social media and saying we already believe in that that's not that's not convincing okay to most people the way to convince everyone is by having absolutely
uh no doubt uh in uh conclusive data now it's possible the us government has some and it's not being it's compartmentalized and it's not being shared even with the president you know that these are possibilities but we need to get to a point where the data the evidence will be clear beyond any doubt and even if it was compartmentalized
that doesn't preclude us from getting more data of higher quality so that we will flood the community with so much information and data that it would be irrelevant what was hidden from view before. Last night, I had a Q&A on YouTube for two hours, people asking me, and the last question had to do with...
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Chapter 5: What recent UAP document releases are significant?
what should we do if we realize the government lied to us and we are being visited by aliens? And I said, look, if we find that we're being visited by aliens, the last thing we should do is focus on who to punish, which bureaucrat didn't do their job and put them in the town center and hang them or do something. This is the most
wasteful action that is completely irrelevant because once we discover we have to think about the future. There are so many things. It will impact the future of humanity in such a fundamental way. Why would we
focus on toxicity hating other people you know punishing them for not doing that's completely irrelevant all of this is completely dwarfed by the discovery and it will bring us to a completely new future so let's the way i phrase it is very simply let's keep our eyes on the orbs not on the audience.
And it's a paraphrase of what basketball players say, let's keep our eyes on the ball, not on the... So the issue is not what did some people do under some circumstances that prevented us from seeing it before and so forth. That's completely irrelevant. If we realize this fact, then the next question is how to adapt to it. What is the action plan?
are these visitors hostile or friendly should we protect the earth against them should we figure out what technologies they are using what will be the impact on financial markets on society at large there are so many questions and the first thing is of course to demonstrate beyond any doubt the evidence and that's the goal of the of the council to figure out if there is such evidence.
And if not, if it turns out that all these objects happen to be human made, then at the very least, we serve the US government in the sense of allowing it to defend strategic assets much better because apparently these are coming from adversarial nations.
So let me just preface. I know some people will be upset when they hear you say it doesn't matter about individuals and bureaucrats who may have covered this up.
I personally... Sorry, let me correct that. I don't mean to say that it doesn't matter.
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Chapter 6: What are the concerns surrounding crash retrieval and biologics claims?
I mean to say there is something far more important.
Or something bigger.
Something much bigger that we should focus on.
Yeah, no, that's fair. And I agree with that sentiment. I think, and I've argued this before, Avi, that there will be people who have perhaps done things, very, very terrible things, in the name of keeping this secret for 80 plus years.
However, the general public and perhaps scientists like yourself are going to care far less about a witch hunt and bringing them to justice when a bigger truth is revealed that we have a non-human intelligence.
Let me ask you the following. When the Vatican in 1992 announced that Galileo was right and they were wrong, Did anyone prosecute them? Did anyone say we should put you in jail because you argued incorrectly that the Earth is at the center of the universe? Did anyone do that? And they tried to hide the information.
They put Galileo in house arrest, which is equivalent to suppressing knowledge from the public. of what he found through his telescope. They didn't want him to express that. The same was true about Copernicus. They banned his book until the 19th century. The church banned a book and yet nobody was upset and furious to put those people to punish them for doing that. So
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Chapter 7: How does skepticism influence the council's work?
This already happened in history. Why should this case be any different? Once you have clear evidence for something that changes the view of where we are in the universe, that gives us a new perspective on our place, on our cosmic neighborhood, you know, we need to focus on that rather than on the people that tried to fool us before then. Because otherwise we would waste all our time, you know,
worrying about what to do with the church that, you know, they lied to us, they were hiding information, they suppressed the voices of dissent. And, you know, if we engage with that, we will not engage with a substance, which is, let's figure out what it means for our future.
What I would love to know, Avi, is who, do you report to one individual or are you reporting to a bigger group of people and organisations?
As the head of the UAP Science Advisory Council, I will be reporting our findings, our requests to the UAP governing board that will include representatives from the White House, the intelligence agencies, and the FBI and the Pentagon. And of course, there will be a dialogue with that organization.
It will have, of course, access to classified information, whereas our council will review only unclassified documents.
And who decides what documentation you get to see? Is that handed down to you or do you have a say in what you want to see?
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Chapter 8: What can the public expect in terms of transparency and updates from the council?
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The council will not have, I mean, could request and ask for some material, some information, but the UAP governing board will decide what to transfer. And I think the main consideration that could suppress the flow of information would be national security. But other than that, there is a mindset of sharing data based on President Trump's directive to declassify
information that is not essential for national security.
So outside of national security reasons, which I'm sure everyone understands, not everyone's always happy with, but I think it's a common sense argument. Are there any limitations to what data you can receive? Again, that would be declassified.
Not as far as I know. And what is surprising is the recognition that there are some events and data that clearly indicate something beyond human-made technologies, because otherwise we would not see this report coming from Dr. John Kozlowski.
Have you had any wind early on? I know this is the very early days of the board and your particular group. Have you got any wind of any documentation, events or evidence that we haven't seen publicly that raises your eyebrows or makes you think this is very much something worth pursuing?
Well, there are a number of people who are suggesting such things, including materials from crash sites. I haven't seen any direct evidence for their existence. The claim is they might be within the jurisdiction of corporations. Some people say that the information is compartmentalized in a way that even the president is kept in the dark.
And if the president is kept in the dark, obviously, I'm in the dark about them. And the question is, do they exist? And of course, one can request those documents and hope for the best. The US Congress can also request those corporations to share what they have. And that has happened with Representative Burleson recently. He asked MITRE and other another corporation to release there.
I mean, Lockheed Martin is another one that is often talked about as potentially having some materials there. But I don't have firsthand information that such materials exist, not to speak about biologics, which is another subject. And, of course, Steven Spielberg in his movie suggested that he believes the US government is in possession of alien bodies. That was shown at the end of the movie.
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