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Chapter 1: Who was Boudica and what led to her uprising?
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A woman, a leader, now a warrior with hair as flaming as the inferno ablaze around her, has been pushed beyond breaking point and the Romans must pay. Boudicca was Queen of the Iceni, who had united Britons to lay waste to Roman settlements. But her story is not only one of revolt, it is also one of family, of identity and of the brutal cost of surviving within the iron grip of empire.
When Roman pressure turned to humiliation and her daughters became part of that story, Boudicca rose in fury. From Eastern Britain, she gathered an army that would shatter Roman control. Cities would burn, legions would stumble, and for a moment, the greatest imperial power in the Western world would meet its match. I'm Tristan Hughes, your host.
Welcome to the Ancients, and today I'm delighted to be joined by historical best-selling novelist Elodie Harper, who has been researching who Boudicca was before legend claimed her. We'll explore what Boudicca's revolt reveals about Roman Britain, the Iceni, and how Rome itself perceived this barbarian upstart. Elodie, welcome back. It's been too long. Welcome back to the show.
Oh, it's an absolute delight to be with you again. Thanks so much for having me on.
You're more than welcome. And to talk about Boudicca, Elodie, I feel her story, it will never lose popularity. Yes, the revolt is brutal, it's bloody, but it's also personal, it's poignant. She's a rebel with a cause.
She is. And there are so many different ways of approaching her story. And over the centuries in Britain, people have done that in multiple ways. The reason we think of her as red-haired is because Elizabeth I used her as propaganda, another warrior queen, and projected her own physical attributes onto this ancient warrior queen. In fact,
The only Roman source, which is hundreds of years after the fact, said she was blonde. I mean, who knows? She could have been a brunette, but this is all part of the storytelling. And then the Victorians who erected that incredible statue designed it that faces the Houses of Parliament, Boudicca and her daughters. She was a very strange figure for them because
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Chapter 2: What role did Boudica's daughters play in her story?
Yes, absolutely. I mean, it's, I think, one of the most fascinating lines in Tacitus in his Agricola is when he says that the ancient Britons don't distinguish between the sexes when choosing commanders. And he says that in reference to Boudicca and her rebellion. And it's a throwaway line, but the significance of that in this time period is really immense.
I mean, it is impossible to imagine a Roman emperor or a Roman legate commanding legions in armies and being a woman. Just unthinkable. And yet in ancient Britain, this was really common. We don't just have Tacitus' word for it. We're aware that there was Cartimandua, the queen of the north of the Brigantes, the original Sansa Stark, although she was a collaborator with Rome unlike Boudicca.
But we have other female rulers recorded. And we also have the archaeology Last year, the Diotreges tribe, who were in the west of the UK, were found to practice matriloquy.
So their whole societies, it's not just that random rulers might be a woman, but their whole societies were based upon the idea that power was vested in the female line, which is such a different way of living to what was happening in ancient Rome at that point.
Yes, the idea of matrilocality, fascinating DNA evidence coming from the Southwest. Elodie, you mentioned how Boudicca's story, it comes to the fore again and again throughout the many centuries of British and English history. And you mentioned that statue from the 1800s by embankment today, which is Boudicca and her daughter's
And I guess that is a key part of her story is the fact that she has these two daughters who play a prominent role and yet at the same time are still very mysterious to us today.
Yes, absolutely. And this was another thing that drew me to the story is it wasn't just a political rebellion. This is really a family drama, what happened and deeply personal in the relationships between all the people involved. So the statue too is very interesting in the sense that it looks like Boudicca is about to attack the whole Houses of Parliament.
So she's a British heroine yet seems to be about to launch war on her own. But that's weirdly apt for what happened in the rebellion because there had aspects of it that were close to civil war in the sense that there weren't kind of neat lines between colonizer and colonized. There would by this point have been a degree of intermarriage, a degree of cultural exchange between people.
And the presence of the two daughters on that statue, somehow they've had a wardrobe malfunction, so their boobs have popped out, nice and objectifying, but anyway, a different time period. But they're crouching in their mother's shadow.
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Chapter 3: How did Roman oppression influence Boudica's rebellion?
But even the roundhouses are surprisingly hard to pin down in that one of the key buildings for Boudicca and her family, which was in Thetford, was a potentially multi-storey roundhouse, which is not kind of how we think about it.
And this was some sort of political or religious gathering centre, probably built by Boudicca or Prastatagus, her husband, who was the client king to Rome and the father of the two daughters. And I think if we just kind of look at the bare bones of the sort of family story of Boudicca and her daughters at this time, that, you know, Prasutagus was the Iceni king.
He was a client king to Rome, which meant that he was ruling on their behalf. Rome would be extracting taxes and financial gain from this society, but at the same time, probably benefiting by collaborating with Rome. The hope would be a slightly less repressive regime where the Iceni would retain some autonomy and
And when he died, he left the kingdom to his two daughters, who I named Selina and Belenia, they're not named in the record, in the hope that he would be able to continue this client relationship with Rome after his death through his daughters.
And it wasn't unusual for ancient Britons at this time even to send their sons to Rome as a type of cultural exchange to sort of build alliances and have a cultural exchange. into play of some type. So he wasn't wildly deluded in trying to do this, but the Romans reacted very violently. The procurator, Decianus, who was in London, responded to this will of Prasutagus by sending Roman soldiers
to the family home. The two daughters were raped. Boudicca, the mother, was flogged. They stole a bunch of stuff, rampaged around, insulting and stealing from other members of the family. It was a very repressive, violent response. This was what led Boudicca to the revolt. It was what happened to her children, basically.
And she took the two daughters with her on her kind of famous mustering trip round the east of England to try and encourage people to join the rebellion. And this is all we know about the daughters. After that, they disappear from the historical record. Whether they fought in the rebellion, whether they survived it, how old they were, none of that, we know, as I say, not even their names.
We cover so much ground there. Really interesting to get more of a sense of the relationship that the Iceni had with the Romans before the revolt and just getting a sense of dates. So the Roman invasion of Britain is traditionally 43 AD. The revolt of Boudicca, 60-61 AD. So less than 20 years after the Roman invasion. And the Romans don't control the whole of Britain.
It's kind of the south into Norfolk, East Anglia, where the Iceni are as a client kingdom. towards the Midlands and the West. So Roman Britain at this time, it's still not quite the great juggernaut that it will be in future decades. So I don't want to say it's weaker. I guess it's earlier in the story.
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Chapter 4: What was the significance of the Iceni lands before the revolt?
But one of the key things that we know about the culture in Britain at that time was the power of the Druids. So, Paulinus was specifically fighting the Druids in Anglesey in Mona at this point where they had a stronghold. And it's because of the hold that the Druids had religiously, but also politically and probably judicially as well. So,
Again, we know very little about the Druids apart from what has come down to us through Rome, who were very prejudiced about them. Tacitus records both men and women in Mona fighting against Paulinus or resisting him. And Prasutagus, the father of Selina and Belenia, his name means magic chief.
So there's a possibility that he was also a druid, that far from being these just purely mystical figures, as they have kind of come down in popular imagination, it might have been more of a kind of caste system. They were the repositories of knowledge, learning the lore, power. And so I made Prasatagus a druid and I also made Selina a druid because this seemed like a possibility.
We don't know entirely how their power structure worked, but we know that the druids were very important and that this wasn't just a purely religious thing. I guess with all ancient cultures at this time, the separation between religion and politics and legal systems is not fully separated.
And I think that's a very fair portrayal to make because the evidence is becoming more and more clear that yes, the old image that it would have just been old men as Druids in Britain is very much being pushed aside because we know that it would probably have been powerful men and powerful women being these Druids.
And as you say there with the archaeology and how difficult it is, the Romans mentioned the Druids. I think we can presume that there were these Druids really important figures who are labelled Druids, but archaeologically it's so hard to find evidence for them surviving so they still remain enigmatic, mysterious.
And in those years before the revolt, when you have Prosutagus as the king of the Iceni, as a client ruler with the Romans, Can we imagine that there must surely have been quite a lot of interaction between not just the Iceni royal family and the highest Romans in the land, but also between everyday people in Iceni territory and Romans that had settled nearby?
Definitely. And I think that's one of the things that makes the rebellion very complex, quite morally grey. And, you know, not just a story of kind of plucky rebels and thuggish Romans, is that there must have been a fair degree of intermarriage violence. by this stage.
When you look at Colchester or Camulodonum that Boudicca sacked in the Boudiccan lair of destruction where everything was burnt, some of the surviving treasures from that time, like the Fennec hoard, the suggestion is that that might have been treasure belonging to a family in which the woman, the wife was British and the father a Roman veteran. And that perhaps many of the women
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Chapter 5: How did Boudica rally support for her cause?
Having said that, I would say that Colchester, which was the most powerful colony or colonia in Roman Britain at this time, was symbolic of oppression and colonialism in the sense of this massive temple that had been built. that was built by the local people, they were forced to pay for it. And it was a massive, massive monument that would have dominated the landscape.
And yeah, it's not surprising that this is the target of Boudicca's rage. It's what she destroyed. It's the current foundations of Colchester Castle today. is the foundations of that Roman temple, but she raised it to the ground because it was such a sort of powerful symbol of oppression.
So yeah, we don't know exactly where that line was between intermarriage, a mixed community versus a very imposed settler colonial rule on Britain at this time.
Yes, this idea of some local Britons buying into it and staying in this very new, clearly much more Roman settlement, built on top of an old Iron Age British centre as well, but very much now in the Roman image. And as you say, the building of that massive temple to Claudius And one last question before we delve into the revolt itself, Elodie.
Once again, kind of setting the scene of the Iceni landscape. You mentioned earlier that location of Thetford, so people can go today. Is it believed that that was a key centre of the Iceni at the time of the revolt?
So it is thought that, and one of the things that's interesting, I mean, anybody who wants to sort of read more about the archaeology of this period, I really recommend Duncan Mackay's Echolands. But It's thought that the Romans didn't just destroy this centre that was built at the time of Prasatagus and Boudicca. They essentially uprooted it. They dismantled the foundations.
The wooden stakes were taken from the ground rather than just burnt. The idea that it was completely erased is...
In my version of the rebellion and its aftermath, I have them before this point, before they dismantle it, using it as a Roman garrison in a sense of kind of completely taking it over, repurposing it, Romanizing it, polluting it in a sense because it was likely a religious center because there was this artificial grove. was built there.
And again, because it's so nebulous, exactly what went on with the Druidic religion. But Pliny writes about the importance of the oak tree, the importance of forests to the ancient Celtic peoples of Britain and the rest of continental Europe. So the idea that there was this artificial graveyard, there was this massive multi-story roundhouse, a political and religious center,
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Chapter 6: What strategies did Boudica employ during her attacks?
How is it linked to Presutagus, to Boudicca and her daughters? And yes, the Romans deciding that enough is enough.
So there are two sort of main accounts of the rebellion. There's the one that I drew most heavily on because it's almost contemporary. So it's written by Tacitus, whose father-in-law Agricola, who actually fought against Boudicca with the Roman forces of Paulinus.
So, although Tacitus' speeches he gives to Boudicca, no, Agricola wasn't there with a notepad writing it down in presumably a language he didn't even speak. But nonetheless, I think he was a contemporary witness to the fighting and to the general mayhem of this period. And then we have Cassius Dio who was writing significantly later, and it's a much more lurid account.
But one area where they agree is on the idea that there was a great deal of financial extortion going on. So, of course, I've chosen to focus on the family drama aspect for my novel. But looking at the history of it, it's likely that widespread discontent at financial oppression was going on. People were forced to take out loans. Those loans were then being were called.
They were being forced to pay for building projects like the Temple of Claudius in Colchester. Local men were being rounded up and taken off to be conscripted into Rome's armies. the natural resources that the land were being taken, people were being stolen from. So it was a lot of unhappiness at how things were being done.
And within this context, then Tacitus tells us there was this ruling family in the Iceni heartlands, which is kind of Norfolk, Suffolk, some of Essex, possibly some of Cambridgeshire as well. I think it's really interesting that it is thought that Prasatagus and Boudicca themselves, potentially even before the rebellion, had different attitudes towards Rome. Interesting.
Yeah, which is very interesting. So the idea is that perhaps Boudicca was always... more warmongering, had a more negative feeling about Rome. Prasatagus did not join in the rebellion of Caraticus some years previously against Rome. That was an earlier rebellion against Roman rule in Britain. And so it's possible there was some tension within the family.
And I chose to portray that as the idea that both of them kind of had a favourite out of the two daughters. So Prasatagus' favourite in my version is Selina, who is the eldest daughter. She's a druid. She's very like her father.
And I made her the main character of the book because I also thought it was interesting if Boudicca's daughter had a more strained relationship with her very famous mother. And then the second daughter, Belenia, the younger one, I made more aligned to her mother. Whatever the truth of this family, we know there were these two daughters. And the reason why some historians think
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Chapter 7: What were the consequences of Boudica's defeat?
It is very much like, this is such an outrage. It's an outrage on every sense of, you know, coming into somebody's home and behaving this way. The fact that they're girls. Tacitus portrays it as a kind of outrage of virgins, which would be a very culturally resonant thing for Rome, like the rape of Lucretia. But the Iceni were a different culture.
So I saw it more as they came into the house and they stole the daughter's honour as warriors. So a key scene I have in the book is the daughters fighting to regain their their honour as warriors, that they didn't have the same notion of sexual honour as the Romans, but they did have a notion of honour of having been defeated by Rome and needing to rectify that.
In terms of what Boudicca actually said to people and how she used it, we can't really know. But I think it's a safe assumption that the account by Tacitus of showing up with her daughter saying, this is what happened to us. This will also happen to you. It probably has already happened to you. Look at how monstrous Rome is. They even do this to women.
There's no getting away from their tyranny if you want to be free. You have to fight for it. I think she says in Tacitus has her say something like, it's better to be dead than to be enslaved. And the historic Boudicca has believed, well, Tacitus says she took her own life after defeat, which again fits very much into the ancient world.
mentality and again in terms of my own book was something i wanted to challenge that selena does not make that choice to take her own life would be quite a short book otherwise i wanted to explore what it might mean to survive after the rebellion and to deal with the aftermath and the compromise and yeah all the issues that that would throw up
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It's always interesting when tackling the story of the Boudiccan revolt, because as you've made clear, Elodie, our surviving literary sources from it are both Roman. One writing quite close to the time, and as you said, had a family relation who may well have been in the combat against Boudicca. And then one writing much, much later. And yet both of them give her speeches.
And it also feels like both of them This procurator that you mentioned earlier, Elodie, the person who seems to be very much at the forefront, at least in the sources, as the figure once Presutagus dies, with deciding, how dare you give your two daughters command of the control of this particular territory of the Iceni. He's the one who oversees the infamy, all of these horrific acts.
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Chapter 8: How does Boudica's legacy continue to resonate today?
So perhaps he wasn't involved, but it's entirely possible that back in Rome, if Nero was aware of the will, maybe he was like, well, this is an outrage. No, I don't want it. I mean, we can't know. There was quite a fair amount of devolution in terms of provinces at this time and decisions that people took. But equally, as you say,
Having one bad apple is a better story for Rome, isn't it, than the idea that the whole structure of command in Britain was rotten and oppressive at this time. Desianus did flee to Gaul afterwards, which does look a little bit guilty. This is all part of the joy and the frustration of dealing with very ancient sources is
Not only have we got the passage of time and the patchiness of the records, there's also Tacitus and Cassius Dio or any of the chroniclers, they have their own propaganda, their own axes to grind. their own constraints as to who they want to offend, who they want to make look bad. I would say, however, in the case of Tacitus, I mean, he doesn't hold back making Nero look like a fiend.
So I don't think he would have minded too much blaming it on Nero. So maybe the procurator was particularly horrendous.
It could be. And does this then explain those motives? Boudicca's early actions, because Elodie, once all of these Iron Age Britons are gathering around Boudicca as this figurehead, you mentioned Iceni, but also the neighbouring tribe of the time, the Trinovantes and so on. All these people are coalescing around Boudicca, tens of thousands. Where do they direct their anger first and foremost?
So probably quite sort of isolated forts and farmsteads and settlers who had ventured further into the countryside before they kind of overwhelmed Colchester. I think there is some debate as to whether Budokan might have sacked even more towns like Chelmsford.
But yes, I mean, the traditional route that we believe she took was, you know, after mustering everyone, rampaging down towards Colchester, destroying Colchester, heading to London, destroying London, St. Albans, possibly not completely destroying St. Albans.
Oh, and I managed to miss out her very famous destruction of pretty much the entirety of the Ninth Legion between destroying Colchester and London. Widespread destruction. And then Paulinus defeated her after St. Albans. There's a lot of debate about where that final battle was. Again, I went with Duncan's argument in Echolands that that's probably a lot closer to St.
Albans than was traditionally thought, just also because why was Boudicca rampaging as far north as Peterborough at this point? It just doesn't seem as likely. So regardless, it's a very intense battle. period of destruction in a fairly concentrated area. I think of all the sackings, it's London and Colchester that generate the most fascination, I would say.
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