The Ben Shapiro Show
Ep. 2267 - Trump Protects The American Flag!…PLUS We Break a MAJOR Story
26 Aug 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
An epic episode of Good Trump, Bad Trump. President Trump is saying that he's going to try to fight flag burning with actual criminal penalties.
Chapter 2: What does President Trump's executive order on flag burning entail?
We'll get into all the details there. Plus, he tried to fire a Fed governor. What exactly does that mean? And we have a massive breaking story, an exclusive here at Daily Wire. exposing the American Medical Association, one of our most cherished institutions, again, opened up and eaten from the inside. First, we are one week out.
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Again, go to dailywire.com slash Ben. We're one week out. Don't miss it. Well, folks, a little bit later on in the show, we are going to get to the American Medical Association. We have a breaking story here at Daily Wire about the AMA. It's pretty astonishing stuff. Basically, they're now pushing gender-affirming care no matter what.
We've obtained secretly recorded footage of AMA President Dr. Bobby McComilla, and it truly is astonishing. Wow. We'll get to that a little bit later on in the show. But we have to begin the day with President Trump. So President Trump had himself a day yesterday. In fact, it was an epic day of we're bringing it back because it was such a big day of this. Good Trump, bad Trump. Yes. They're back.
Play the song, guys. Okay, so. Yesterday, President Trump suggested via executive order that we are going to arrest people and put them in jail for flag burning. Now, you don't know which way I'm going to go on this, right? Was that bad Trump or was that good Trump? Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. It was actually good Trump. I'll tell you why it was good Trump.
The reason it was good Trump is because people are misreading the executive order. So what President Trump said, as always, is a very simplified version of what the executive order actually says. First, here's what President Trump had to say while signing the executive order. If you burn a flag, you get one year in jail. No early exits, no nothing. You get one year in jail.
If you burn a flag, you get... And what it does is incite to riot. I hope they use that language, by the way. Did they? Incite to riot. And you burn a flag, you get one year in jail. You don't get 10 years, you don't get one month. You get one year in jail, and it goes on your record. And you will see flag burning stopping immediately.
OK, so number one, there is a ruling in Texas versus Johnson that says that flag burning is indeed a legal activity under the First Amendment. Now, I want to go through the history of this in just a second. But I first want to say what the exact executive order says, because people are saying it somehow criminalizes all forms of flag burning. That is not actually true.
First of all, the president does not have the authority just via executive order to make anything criminal. You can't just make things criminal. the executive order at the federal level that requires some sort of congressional act. The president can't just deem a thing illegal and it magically becomes illegal.
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Chapter 3: How does President Trump justify the criminalization of flag burning?
This is the reason why it goes under good Trump versus bad Trump. So there are a few different positions on this. Many of them are wrong. Many things can be true at once. One, according to the Supreme Court, the Constitution of the United States protects flag burning as a form of expression so long as it doesn't violate other things like incitement to violence, for example.
Two, the Supreme Court decision in Texas versus Johnson is wrong. It's a bad decision. That 5-4 decision, which is held in high esteem by libertarians and members of the left, but actually violates centuries of American precedent. It is a bad decision. Justice Scalia was wrong about this. And I say that advisedly. I'm a huge Justice Antonin Scalia fan.
He was the deciding vote 5-4 in Texas versus Johnson back in 1989. He was wrong about this. It's not true. The First Amendment was not designed to protect flag burning. It just was not, historically speaking. And I'll get to that in a moment. So two things are true.
One, the law currently says, until it is changed by the Supreme Court, flag burning is protected activity as expression under the First Amendment. Two, that Supreme Court decision is wrong. Three, the executive order is designed to avoid the reach of Texas versus Johnson by linking flag burning to things that are not protected by the First Amendment.
Because the truth is that if you're talking about expressive activity, anything could theoretically be expressive activity. The question is, does it violate other forms of criminal law? So, for example, if I strangle you to death with an American flag, can I say that that's freedom of expression? No, that's a criminal activity involving the American flag. And I will go to jail.
So what they are attempting to do is link this with incitement, which is, in fact, a criminal activity. Four, there are a bunch of people on the right who are saying, well, you know, it's criminal in America to burn the Pride Progress flag or the Black Lives Matter flag, so it should be criminal to burn the American flag. Okay, it is not criminal in America to burn the Pride Progress flag.
If you wish to buy one and then burn it, you can absolutely do that. Now, there are hate crime laws on the books that I think are unconstitutional and violate the First Amendment that may be implicated by, for example, spiraling your wheels over some sort of gay pride flag painted on the sidewalk. I think it's idiotic. It's ridiculous.
It's no worse a form of defacement of public property than if you were to just do it on a crosswalk without a gay pride flag on it. But that's a question about hate crimes. It really isn't a question about whether it's illegal to burn a pride progress flag or a gay pride flag or a BLM flag. It is not. So don't use one misinterpretation of law to justify another misinterpretation of law.
It is neither illegal to burn an American flag, nor is it illegal to burn a pride progress flag under the current status of law in the United States. When this kind of bizarre spiral to the bottom where everybody says a very simplified version of what they think the law is to justify another violation of law, that is a very silly thing. So all of these things are true at once.
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