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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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When President Trump pushed forward his so-called Liberation Day tariffs, the Supreme Court struck down those Liberation Day tariffs today. In a 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court basically struck down the 10% baseline tariff on all trading partners. It struck down higher reciprocal tariffs, what he called reciprocal tariffs, on dozens of countries.
They weren't actually reciprocal tariffs because those countries were not actually charging us those tariffs. We just were charging them higher tariffs on the basis of trade deficits. Drug trafficking tariffs on Canada, Mexico, China, those are gone. And the 145% effective rate on most Chinese goods is gone as well.
The Supreme Court says that the president does not have the unilateral authority or ability to actually just impose broad scale tariffs. Now, the president does have some specified tariff powers. We'll get to that in a minute. But The reason that I had said originally that these tariffs were unconstitutional is because Article 1, powers of the purse belong to Congress. They do.
That includes, obviously, the power to tariff. Article 1 of the Constitution specifically names the powers of the purse. And it says... that the Constitution includes the authority to tax, borrow money, regulate commerce, coin money, establish post offices, declare war, and raise armed forces. That is what is in the tax and spend and commerce powers of Congress.
Now, the question is, what can be delegated, what can't be delegated, and what also has been delegated? So obviously, in certain specified contexts, Congress has delegated specific tariff authority to the president. But at any point, did Congress just say to the president, you can tariff anybody for any reason, interminably, at any rate that you want?
And the answer there, says the Supreme Court, is no. Now, it's sort of a fascinating breakdown. I agree with the decision legally. I think this is obviously a correct decision from the Supreme Court.
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Chapter 2: What are the details of the Supreme Court's decision on Trump's tariffs?
There's a rare case where I disagree with Justice Thomas and also huge Alito stan, a rare case where I disagree with Justice Alito. The question under consideration here was whether the president of the United States is the unilateral authority under
the IEPA, which is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which is the power cited by the president of the United States to levy tariffs on the entire world at once. That is the question at issue.
The text of the IEPA that was at issue says this, quote, at the times and to the extent specified in section 1701 of this title, the president may under such regulations as he may prescribe by means of instructions, licenses or otherwise. And here are the key words.
Investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of or dealing in or exercising any right, power or privilege with respect to or transactions involving any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest by any person with respect to any property subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
So what the majority found is that that does not include broad scale, unilateral, gigantic tariff power. That that includes, for example, embargoes for national security reasons. That it includes regulations on the basis of violation of international treaty, for example.
But it does not include the ability of the president to simply wake up one morning, print out a gigantic poster board and say there is now a 45% tariff on the Solomon Islands. That was not delegated in the IEPA. And I think that is pretty obviously correct. And we'll get to the details of the opinion in just a second.
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So... There are basically two arguments made by the majority written by Justice Roberts. And I will say this. I do find it somewhat ironic that Justice Roberts claimed that Obamacare was not a tax for purposes of finding it constitutional, but finds that tariffs are, in fact, a form of tax for purposes of finding them unconstitutional, as promoted by the president.
So I'm not a Justice Roberts fan. I think that he is quite fungible in his language, even if the majority gets it right here. In any case, basically, there are two arguments that are made by the majority opinion. One, the IEPA does not actually authorize tariff power to the president in the way that the president has done this.
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Chapter 3: How did the Supreme Court justify striking down the tariffs?
This is why you can't just have Congress become a vestigial organ. It was never supposed to be this way. And so... Justice Roberts writes, quote, based on two words separated by 16 others in Section 1702A1B of IEPA, regulate and importation, the president asserts the independent power to impose tariffs on imports from any country of any product at any rate for any amount of time.
Those words cannot bear weight. I mean, again, I agree with this. And I can read you the statute. I mean, the statute literally says, quote, That the president may regulate and then direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of. So, again, it's a separation there.
And as he points out, there are a bunch of intervening terms there. So as Justice Roberts says, Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution sets forth the powers of the legislative branch.
Chapter 4: What constitutional powers does Congress have regarding tariffs?
The first clause of that provision specifies Congress has the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, duties would be tariffs, imposts and excises. It is no accident, says the court, that this power appears first. The power to impose tariffs is very clearly a branch of the taxing power. That goes back to an 1824 very critical case called Gibbons versus Ogden.
A tariff, after all, is a tax levied on imported goods and services. Indeed, the framers expected that the government would for a long time depend chiefly on tariffs for revenue. So now we think of tariffs as sort of an afterthought because we have the income tax and a wide variety of other taxes taken in by state and federal government.
But originally, the major source of tax revenue was taxes on imports, namely tariffs. That was literally the power. A core power of Congress. And so they can't just take that and chuck it at the president. And if they are going to do it, they better be pretty clear about it. Little wonder, then, says Justice Roberts, that the first Congress's first exercise of its taxing power was a tariff law.
Justice Roberts points out the government thus concedes, as it must, that the president enjoys no inherent authority to impose tariffs during peacetime. This is one of the sort of fascinating things that he points out. If the president actually had the inherent power under his foreign policy powers to just impose tariffs, he wouldn't need some sort of emergency declaration.
The fact that they use the emergency declaration means this is not predominantly a foreign policy question. That'll become important when I explain Justice Kavanaugh's dissent in just a few minutes here. So Justice Roberts says the government does not defend the challenged tariffs as an exercise of the president's war making powers.
The United States, after all, is not at war with every nation in the world. The government instead relies exclusively on IEPA. It reads the words regulate and importation to affect a sweeping delegation of Congress's power to set tariff policy, authorizing the president to impose tariffs of unlimited power and duration on any product from any country.
And again, he's saying that's not there in the text. If you read the IEPA, it doesn't say you can tax anywhere, anytime, any amount, for any period. It doesn't say that in the IEPA. And then he cites what's called the Major Questions Doctrine. without some sort of clear remit of authority. It wouldn't just hide the ball. That's the major questions doctrine.
So Robert says, we have described several cases as major questions cases. In each, the government claimed broad expansive power on an uncertain statutory basis. And in each, the statutory text might, as a matter of definitional possibilities, have been read to delegate the asserted power. But context counseled skepticism.
That context included not just other language within the statute, but constitutional structure and common sense. Again, that is just a longer way of saying what I'm saying right now, which is if Congress wanted to do it, it just would have done it. It would have been vague about it.
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Chapter 5: What arguments were made for and against the president's tariff authority?
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Against this backdrop of clear and limited delegations, the government reads IEEPA to give the president power to unilaterally impose unbounded tariffs. On this reading, moreover, the president is unconstrained by the significant procedural limitation in other tariff statutes and free to issue a dizzying array of modifications at will.
All it takes to unlock that extraordinary power is a presidential declaration of emergency, which the government asserts is unreviewable. And the only way of restraining the exercise of that power is a veto-proof majority in Congress. Now, again, that's right. And I urge conservatives to think about this very strongly.
If the president of the United States can simply declare national emergency and then tariff the entire planet... What can't the federal government do on the basis of emergency? There are many statutes that authorize specific delegations of temporary authority under emergency circumstances.
If that is broadened out to include things like tariff the whole planet, imagine Democrats saying, until all countries stop producing oil-powered vehicles, we are tariffing everybody at 70%. They can do that. Under the way that the administration is interpreting the statute, they have the power to do that.
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