The Bill and Doug Show: Ohio State Football Talk
College Football Playoff First Round Recap: Are Oregon, Miami, Alabama or Ole Miss Natty threats?
21 Dec 2025
Oregon beat James Madison, Ole Miss beat Tulane, Miami beat Texas A&M and and Alabama beat Oklahoma in the first round of the College Football Playoff this weekend. Bill Landis and Doug Lesmerises react to the games and discern whether any of the winners looked like threats to win the national championship. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Chapter 1: What were the outcomes of the first round of the College Football Playoff?
Welcome back to the Bill & Doug Show. Doug LaMaurice and Bill Landis with a recap from round one of the college football playoff. Bill Landis, anyone playing in the first round looking like a natty contender?
I mean, I thought Oregon was coming in. I certainly don't feel different about that based off how they're playing right now. I don't know that I'm overly impressed with anybody else who won today. You know, I guess I'll give Ole Miss credit where it's due. We thought they might be in shambles and they weren't, but... Aside from that, no, not really.
Yeah. Are we mad? Is this going to be a mad show? Is this a mad James Madison and Tulane show? I just want to make sure I get a lay of the land before we really get into it. Are we mad or no?
Chapter 2: Which teams showed potential as national championship contenders?
I'm not mad. No. I'm not mad, though. All right. We'll see if anyone's mad. This is my alternate life as a random news reporter at Random News Station X, reporting live from random place saying random things. I don't want to be mad.
Is that a black suit or a navy suit?
It's just a blue blazer. and a light blue tie. Yeah. Yeah. The suit I have is like from 1989 and is like, like is gigantic and looks like I would wear it to the NBA draft in 1993. So I have to wear a blazer. So I, so let's start with the Miami hurricanes who defeated the Texas A&M. Is it aggies? I believe it was in their nickname.
This is the team that's going to play Ohio state in the cotton bowl. It was windy. at that game. I guess it was so windy. Nobody could throw a pass except to the other team when it mattered, but Miami's defense did Miami's defense peak your interest in a way bill Landis that should peak the interest of Ohio state and Ohio state fans going into this cotton bowl.
Yeah, I think a little bit. Not in a surprising way. I know I certainly, when I was looking sort of at the lay of the land for Ohio State, I took note of the fact that both A&M and Miami have pretty good pass rushes. And coming off of what we saw from Ohio State against Indiana, that felt like probably an area that we'd be focusing on, no matter who won that game between Miami and A&M.
And then I would say that Miami's pass rush certainly showed up more than A&M's did. I don't think like...
miami's defense was overwhelming i actually thought there were some moments where marcel reed had some guys open in the drop back game and just missed them like he couldn't really throw anything accurately that wasn't a screen to the outside so um but no they look formidable like those guys up front are the real deal akim mesador and reuben bain were kind of unblockable uh for a m or against a m uh this afternoon so that'll be uh a
most I think of what we talk about as we talk about Ohio State Miami going into the Cotton Bowl I don't know I think Miami's defense overall is very good you look at like a lot of look all the numbers there they basically come out as like the second best defense Ohio State well played this year behind Indiana um
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Chapter 3: How did Miami's defense perform against Texas A&M?
So there's more to get into than just what's going on on the defensive line, but that will be the focus for sure.
And we certainly will have the opportunity, and we certainly will do that, to break down Ohio State and Miami from every angle.
Before we get to the Cotton Bowl, the PFF grades that are out at the moment, Akeem Mesidor, 11 pressures, Ruben Bain, 7, which is just an unbelievable... I don't even know if that sounds like that could be right, but that's just almost creating a non-functional offense for Texas A&M. If you are having your guys...
get after the quarterback to that extent right I mean they were doing that but man those numbers are overwhelming yeah I think Miami finished with was it seven seven sacks probably should have been more Marcel Reed probably stepped out of two or three of them um Because the other thing with A&M is they were talking about it on the broadcast.
I think that's the most veteran offensive line in the country. All of their offensive line starters have started at least 26 games. I think most of them started more than 30 games. Their left tackle, who was repeatedly getting worked by Akeem Mesidor, was making his 50th career start. And none of that really seemed to matter. So it's like a big, beefy offensive line, too. Maybe...
You know, not super athletic, and that was where the edge for Miami showed up. But I think, like, if you're Miami, right, you wanted ā
you wanted the very least like your offensive line and your defensive line to look fresh and like be the thing that stands out the most in that game and i think that was definitely the case yeah so if you're wondering where i'm wearing a suit i was at my uh my family celebration all day yeah i was uh and i'll be back on monday um i was at my niece's uh bat mitzvah this morning and then she had a party this evening so i came i came straight from the party and i'm still in my uh
celebration attire. We had a lovely day. So I'll be honest. Like I was not a hundred percent. Like I'm aware. I watched the second half of Miami, Texas A&M. I caught up on some of the first half. I'm not a hundred percent locked in this special family day. So yeah. So actually I'm not mad at the blowouts.
We'll get, I do want to talk about Oklahoma, Alabama a little bit, but I want to talk about Julian saying, because in watching Dante Moore is looking really good for Oregon in the, in the late game here on Saturday night. Is that a fair assessment bill? He did just throw an interception, but other than that, yes. Oh, we came on the show and he threw an interception?
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Chapter 4: What were the strengths and weaknesses of Alabama's game against Oklahoma?
I thought maybe for Ohio state fans, you're sitting there saying like, man, I like our guy. Cause there's just a couple, a couple moments in key situations where, You know, John Mateer just threw it to the other team and gave up a pick six in a back-breaking way on Friday night, right? That there's just moments that, again, Julian Sands had a couple of those, but barely any.
And competent quarterback play in the quarterfinals, I think, is going to be, it always is, is a decider. And I think there's a couple teams that are going to have an edge there, and they're Ohio State and Indiana.
Yeah, I think I agree with that. We were chatting with the people in our sub stack, or at least I was, as you were doing the family stuff, on Friday night and Saturday night, and there was a lot of, like, boy, watching this game makes me appreciate Julian Sane's accuracy. Because there's a lot...
Julian Sainz is not a perfect quarterback, and he has made some mistakes, but it's pretty rare that he drops back and throws the ball and you think to yourself, well, where were you trying to throw that one? And I think that happened in both of the quote-unquote big games this weekend from all four of the quarterbacks in those two games.
There was a lot of, like, I don't know where that ball was supposed to be going, kind of moments. And I just don't know that you're going to get that from Sane or Mendoza, or at least if you do, you're not going to get it at nearly the same rate as we've seen it from some of these other guys. And maybe you might get a little bit more of that from Dante Moore. I don't know.
This game is like a blowout and kind of loosey-goosey, so the fact that he's thrown two interceptions, I don't know what to make of that because they're not high-stakes throws necessarily. But I think, yeah, that might be ā One of the bigger revelations of this first weekend is that the quarterback play from a lot of these teams that played this weekend is not particularly strong.
Yeah. It's an interesting contrast to the first weekend last year because, as we know, with the different seeding last year and that Boise State and Arizona State had buys last year and you had a team like Ohio State lurking as the eighth seed, we know all the first-round winners went on to win in the quarterfinal.
So you had the five, the six, the seven, and the eight that were then in the semifinals. And when you think about... So part of it is the structure, and I think they got it right. Everybody agrees with that. Don't give the four byes automatically to conference champs. But a year ago, that five, six, seven, and eight were pretty darn good, right?
And I don't think we are... Partly because of structure, but I think also partly the reality of the situation. If you think about... The eight last year was Ohio State. The eight this year was Oklahoma, Bill. The difference between that eight and this eight, how vast is that?
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Chapter 5: How did Oregon fare against James Madison?
How would you explain the gap between Ohio State 2024 and Oklahoma 2025?
that they're not worth comparing. Like Oklahoma's defense is pretty good, but that offense is quite bad. Although they actually played one of their better games against Alabama. So yeah, it's sort of like night and day. I was thinking to myself, right? It was just like... I put those teams sort of side by side. And I think maybe you could say, oh, well, Jamie's by the score again.
So I don't know what to make of this Oregon team, actually. But I think you would look at all four of the teams from last year and rank them ahead of probably all four of the teams from this year. Yeah. And that is even with like all four of the two of the three teams last year, I think in Notre Dame and Penn State having. like some quarterback issues of their own.
But I think overall, you probably take all four of those teams over these four.
And I do think just, again, like Indiana a year ago, like they didn't get blown off the field by Notre Dame, but Notre Dame won. You were at that game. Notre Dame won that game fairly handily, right? Like you knew who was going to win. I think Indiana, I think 2024 Indiana would absolutely hang Notre with Oklahoma or Alabama.
I think they would have been right there with either Texas A&M or Miami today. I think they would absolutely be there with Ole Miss. And it's just one of those, again, I think, and I saw someone tweet this, you know, after the first two games, like, hey, last year, the 8-9 and 7-10 games weren't competitive. This year, we got competitive games in the 8-9 and the 7-10. Like, that's progress.
Well, the reason that it feels like progress is because last year the 7 and the 8 were awesome. And this year the 7 and the 8 were mid. Last year the 7 and the 8 were true northern champions. And it was Notre Dame and Ohio State who then played in the national championship game.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of Ole Miss's victory over Tulane?
That was your 7 and your 8. Your 7 and your 8 this year were Texas A&M and Oklahoma mid-SEC teams who lost at home. So then again, I think what we're going to figure out with the playoff is the playoff is going to give us something different every year.
And there's going to be times where there's some odd seating or a team that really was better than this winds up with this seed because they lost a weird game, that kind of thing. But it's like, what do you want out of the first round? And I don't even know what I would declare. I would want, do you want a competitive game? Alabama, Oklahoma was competitive, but it was section close. Interesting.
Not good. Well, last year, Ohio state, Tennessee wasn't close, but it's because Ohio state was so good. And so that's one of those things that we ā it's an interesting contrast, particularly that 7-8.
And I am really curious what the next round gives us because even as you say this Oregon-JMU game is getting a little weird, it's like this ā I don't think this first round feels like it's giving us great teams necessarily when last year it kind of gave us ā four great teams. It gave us four semifinalists at the very least.
Maybe you don't consider them great, but nobody who played this weekend is on the level of what Ohio State, Notre Dame were last year.
No, but I kind of think that's okay. I agree. You're right. Think of the NCAA basketball tournament, right? Not to compare football to basketball all the time, but the first weekends, or not the first weekend, Thursday, Friday is kind of weird. Some teams you never heard of win games, and they're not great games, but the endings can be fun and entertaining.
And I think maybe what a lot of the first round of this playoff is going to be is not great football, but perhaps fairly entertaining. And I think if you can get ā because I think Oklahoma-Alabama was entertaining in a very unique and in sort of its own way that may not be ever replicable again. I thought Miami A&M was entertaining. Yes.
You watched it the whole way.
You watched until the last play.
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Chapter 7: Which matchups are most anticipated for the quarterfinals?
I think more often than not, you're going to have one pretty lopsided one. And today we had two. And then you're going to have two others that might not be great games, but I think can at least offer a pretty good entertainment quality. And I'm not sure you should be expecting much more than that in the first round of a playoff.
I think that's right, and I do think, you know, I think if you see some sides of the ball that really interest you, I think that can be enough. I don't, you know, Ohio State and Indiana at the top of this seating are two pretty complete teams, right? They're both probably defense-first teams, but then, by the way, Ohio State has Julian Say and Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate, and Bo Jackson.
Here's the secret about the playoff.
Everyone's defense-first in the playoff. I feel a Bill Landis substack story coming. You crafting something there, Philly Billy? It's just very apparent, yeah. That is very interesting to think about. But so then so then like if everybody's defense first, then who has separators offensively?
That if you feel like there is a defensive identity and then you get into separators and it's like, OK, well, Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman winner, he's a separator for Indiana offensively. When Elijah Surratt is healthy, he's a separator for them offensively. Just talked about it with Ohio State. Malachi Tony at times can be that. for Miami, right? He has been at that at times.
The Oregon run game at its best can be that. And if they continue to get healthy at receiver, right, maybe Oregon has a chance to be that. But there's just going to be, I think, some... It's hard to be good at everything. If you really think about it, do you think we have a chance to go 8-for-8 on truly defensive identity? Not Ole Miss.
No, Ole Miss is not. And honestly, as I continue to watch JMU score touchdowns and now sitting with 404 yards of offense, maybe Oregon's not either. Maybe Oregon's not. Indiana, Ohio State are. Miami is.
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Chapter 8: How does the playoff structure affect team performances and expectations?
I guess Alabama is. Texas Tech definitely is. I guess Alabama is and Georgia probably is too.
Yeah. But again, so it's going to be, I don't, you know, when you just think about then who are you, if you had a draft of, you took all the defense first teams and then drafted their offensive guys, right. You're drafting. I think a lot of Ohio state and Indiana guys. Right. So I don't even know like how, how many Alabama guys are you drafting?
How many Miami guys are you drafting potentially in this situation? So there are, There are going to be some flawed teams playing next week who have a chance to maybe be great on one side of the ball. But I will say again, if we want to get back to Miami a little bit, because obviously that's a team that we're going to talk about a lot and write about a lot as they get ready to play Ohio State.
You thought they had a baseline, a foundation on... Both sides of the ball and the trenches. Is Mark Fletcher at running back enough of a separator? I mean, it seemed like everybody during the course of that game was like, Mark Fletcher's averaging eight yards a carry. Why is Mark Fletcher not getting the ball more? He ended up with 170 yards. Can they give Mark?
Can Miami give the ball to Mark Fletcher 30 times against Ohio State and say, go be our offense? And let's not put too much on Carson Beck. And if you can go 30 for 200, we have a chance to stay in the game.
I'm actually not there. No. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would say no. I think that it just turns out that A&M is a team that you can run on, but they didn't really play anybody to show you that until Texas ran on them and then Miami ran on them. And Miami, I really do think... And Miami could have won that game much more comfortably if it just ran the ball all game.
I don't know what the hell they were trying to do on offense with some of the trick plays they were doing, and they were really forcing the ball to Malachi Toney, which I get because he's a really good player, but they were not doing themselves any favors. And it was pretty apparent to me, too, that... They don't trust Carson Beck a whole lot, which I guess I wouldn't either.
They paid a lot of money to not trust a guy. Yeah. It's a lot of money to not trust a veteran quarterback in the playoff.
Right. But Fletcher's a good back, and that O-line is good. But, I mean... It's not like Miami has been this juggernaut of a rushing team all year. I think what we saw Miami running-wise was more about A&M than it was about Miami. And no one has really run it all that well in Ohio State this year. So I'm not sure. If I'm Ohio State, I am probably...
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