Finding Mom's Killer | 5. Lost Boy
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What is the introduction to Finding Mom's Killer?
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I lost everything in my family. I'm alone. I just want some sense of normalcy, right?
What happened to Collier after his mother's death?
In the summer of 1990, with his mother, Noreen, dead, and his father, Jack, in prison, there was only one thing on 12-year-old Collier Landry Boyle's mind. What will happen to me? Family courts like to place children with relatives, and Collier's uncle, his father's brother, was willing. But the judge wasn't for it, saying, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why Collier wouldn't be placed with the brother of the man who murdered his mother. There was his mom's sister, but she didn't want Collier. He reminded her of Jack and of everything that had happened. What about the foster parents who'd been looking after Collier? They did adopt, but only wanted his little sister, not him. Collier felt abandoned. Except for one person.
Dave Messmore was with me at the absolute lowest point of my life. We had a bond that no one will take away. He was sort of like the father that I wished I had had.
How did Collier build a relationship with Dave Messmore?
For the past six months, Collier had been living with his foster parents, but most weekends, he headed over to Lieutenant Dave Messmore's house.
I just wanted to be a kid, and I really loved their family, and so I wanted to really experience all of that.
We just got hooked on him and really liked him.
As you know by now, Dave isn't really a hard-on-the-sleeve kind of guy, but he liked having Collier around.
He did things that he hadn't done before. You know, he liked being around my kids and they taught him how to play basketball and he bought jeans. I remember seeing him ride a bike around our neighborhood for a while and he came back all sweaty and everything. He said, boy, this is fun. Yeah, I said, yeah, I know it is. Oh my gosh, a sweet, smart little boy. He was something else.
That's Sue Messmore, Dave's wife.
He looked up to Dave as his protector. I mean, he had every faith in Dave.
Collier bonded with Sue as well over his favorite mother-son activity.
My sister and I, we went shopping one Sunday and Collier was over at our house. So we took him to our mall and we went shopping, forgetting that he's listening to everything you're saying. I said, oh, this jacket is so cute. I really like it, but I don't think I'm going to buy it.
Sue thought it was too expensive. Dave wouldn't be happy when he saw the price tag. But Collier had a different view.
Well, he chimes in, well, Mrs. Messmore, you should buy that jacket. You deserve it. Well, he actually talked me into buying the jacket.
When they got home, Sue joked that she was going to hide the day's purchase from Dave.
And Collier said, well, Mrs. Messmore, if Detective Messmore can find my mother, he certainly could find these packages. We didn't know what to say.
Was he obnoxious?
Well, no. He was just, he was beyond his 12 years is all. He acted like a little adult.
There was another reason Collier was drawn to the Messmores.
Why did the court reject the Messmore's adoption request?
He'd always ask me, do you think my dad really did that? And I said, Collier, it was a trial, and I'm convinced, and you should be convinced now that he did it. As horrible as this whole thing is, unfortunately, your father's responsible for it. Dave felt bad for Collier. He's been traumatized too much. Way too much for an ordinary person. Oh, we love Collier, yeah.
Not long after the trial ended, Collier was in the car with Dave and Sue. One of their weekends together, he stuck his head between the front seats.
He said, I need to talk to you. And I said, OK. And he said, would you and Sue consider adopting me? I went, God, I didn't think about that. And I said, well, Collier, we'll have to talk about that a little bit. And I felt like Collier had no one. So I looked at him like this little boy who really was like an orphan. It just broke my heart. We had talked a lot about it. And yes, it was a decision.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the introduction to Finding Mom's Killer?
0:00–0:43
2
What happened to Collier after his mother's death?
0:43–1:56
3
How did Collier build a relationship with Dave Messmore?
1:56–4:25
4
Why did the court reject the Messmore's adoption request?
4:25–6:58
5
Who are George and Susan Ziegler in Collier's life?
6:58–9:36
6
How did Collier adjust to life with the Zieglers?
9:36–12:01
7
What were the challenges faced by Collier and the Zieglers?
12:01–32:36