Chapter 1: What influences Chris Riddell's work as an illustrator?
All right, this is going to be good, isn't it? I loved this book. Put that effing book down. That is such a brilliant novel.
I'm reading it and reading it and I'm going, oh no.
There are stories in that book that'll knock your boots off.
It's taken up half my heart, you know.
Hi, it's Kate Evans here with another podcast special interview for ABC Radio National's The Bookshelf. And if you can, while you're listening to this, search for Chris Riddell, illustrator, and have a look at the images that come up. They are quite beautiful. Now, Riddell is a cartoonist and a writer as well as an illustrator, but it's his drawing that has shaped his career.
He often works collaboratively on children's books, and his latest was with Neil Gaiman and a delicious book called Pirate Stew. Now, this conversation I had with Riddell fills every corner of the page, from his relationship to words and reading to the political power of a well-sharpened pencil. Now, you're an illustrator, you're a political cartoonist, you're a novelist. What have I missed?
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Chapter 2: How does Chris Riddell view the relationship between words and images?
Goodness, I think principally, Kate, I'm an illustrator. And the other things I do, I think, are just to generate material for me to illustrate. I'm not sure I would ever call myself a novelist, even less so a poet, but maybe a cartoonist, certainly, a satirist after a fashion. But I think principally what I love doing is illustrating.
I love the way that images interact with words in these amazing things we call
Well, you work with a whole lot of different writers. You work collaboratively with people who write fiction, with poetry. They're the ones I'm most familiar with. So what does that mean for your relationship to words, or I guess how you see the interplay between images and words?
I think that reading is a very...
extraordinary process isn't it it's something that we rather take for granted i mean once we we learn to decode words on a page and we set off on our sort of careers you know at school reading through different stages but there's something extraordinary about reading when when one sits and starts to analyze it and it's the way in which you hear a voice in your head it's a direct form of communication it's an extraordinary sort of repository of of
ideas and thoughts from people who may no longer be alive, and they can speak directly to us. And all we do to commune is open the pages of a book and start to read these hieroglyphics, and someone's personality comes through, or someone's voice enters ours. And I think principally what I enjoy doing is creating a visual counterpoint to that,
um particularly in children's books where one knows that the reader is on this wonderful reading journey and as an illustrator what i love doing is is sort of interpreting the voice of the book in a sense in a visual way and providing a counterpoint what i never want to do is get in the way of the words you know the words are the most important thing and my job as an illustrator is to um
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Chapter 3: What is the process of collaborating with Neil Gaiman like for Chris Riddell?
to accompany it in some way. And I always think of myself a bit, you know, another sort of analogy, as a sort of, you know, the pianist who accompanies the soloist, you know, at a concert. You don't want the pianist to sort of suddenly go off on a riff and take centre stage. You want to hear the soloist. And for me, the words are the soloist.
I'm interested that you mention a stage, though, because I have actually seen one of your live events from the last time you were in Australia in which you do live illustrations of another writer's work. And in this case, it was the poet A.F. Harold. And you actually make the sharpening of your pencils a performance all its own.
And I wonder if that was partly to remind your audience of the physicality of drawing.
I wish I had thought that deeply about it, Kate, because in a way, I just love sharpening a pencil. You know, that in itself is a joy to me. And what I do when I'm drawing live is I work with a document camera that projects the page in front of me onto a screen so that the audience can see it sort of very clearly.
And sharpening the pencil, I suppose, is my warm up, you know, is a way of sort of saying, right now, pencil sharpened, I can start to draw. The performance side of it is great fun because for me, drawing is a verb rather than a noun.
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Chapter 4: Why does Chris Riddell emphasize diversity in his illustrations?
It's not the drawing as object at the end of it that's important. It's the doing that's important. And when I draw live for an audience, I think everybody knows that there's no safety net. I'm just off I go drawing. I can't take too long over something, particularly if I'm trying to illustrate a poem as it's being read.
And so there's a sort of acceptance in a way that what one is seeing is an action rather than the end result. The end result is less important than the actual doing of it. And I love that as a process. And I think when any of us sort of pick up a pencil and start to draw, the great enemy is to be too self-conscious.
And we all have that tendency to try and edit ourselves and try and make that mark the important mark. The only important way to draw is to get it right. And in fact, by drawing live, often you get it wrong. But it doesn't matter if you do it with a flourish, if you are enjoying it. The end result is not important.
And A.F.
Chapter 5: How does Chris Riddell describe the experience of reading and its impact on creativity?
Harold is full of all sorts of flourishes himself. For people who aren't familiar with his work and his poetry, how would you describe it, especially the stuff that's aimed at kids?
Well, Ashley, as I call him, as my close friend, A.F. Harold is a wonderful literary moniker, but Ashley is a performance poet, I think. So that to get the real sense of his work, I think you want to hear him declaim it. And he's a wonderful sort of Edward Lear sort of figure. He's got a great big ginger beard and sort of formidable stage presence. And he performs his poetry wonderfully.
And I remember at the Sydney Writers' Festival, I mean, we... we don't rehearse. Ashley likes to get up and just read and interpret, you know, the audience reaction and go from one thing to another. And in fact, he often asks the audience just to shout out a page number, and he will turn to his anthology and go to that page number and illustrate whatever's there.
And so I've got to listen very carefully and just go with that. So I found myself at the Writers' Festival drawing while Ashley rolled around on the stage, sort of singing I'm a Wallaby or Perhaps a Kangaroo, one of his finest poems, I've got to say.
Chapter 6: What role does political cartooning play in Chris Riddell's creative expression?
It went down very well. I'm not sure my drawing of a wallaby was terribly sort of distinguished or anatomically correct, but it was wonderful fun, and I think that's part of what I love about drawing live.
I'll confess, I was there. I saw that rolling around on the stage. But Chris, your latest book is a collaboration with the writer Neil Gaiman, and that's Pirate Stew. But you've worked with him before on quite a few books. Do you work together before the text is completed?
No, we don't. And that actually is what I love about working with Neil. Um, he is a wonderful writer and, and has got a range that, that, that is, is sort of amazing. So he will, he will write spectacularly about Norse mythology, but he will also write the most wonderful sort of Gothic fairy tale set in the London underground. Um, he is a great creator of worlds, but, um, he is also, I think, um,
One of the most immensely readable writers that I know he knows how to hook you With almost the first line and then take you through in a story. So he's got a wonderful storytelling voice What he does which which I enjoy so much with my collaboration is that once he's written something he presents it to you in its entirety and then allows the illustrator to interpret his his words and
in as broad a way as we would want to, with no sort of editorial interference.
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Chapter 7: How does Chris Riddell's latest book, 'Pirate Stew', reflect his artistic style?
And in fact, I've never had an editorial note from Neil of, you know, he's never told me not to draw something or change something I've done. He's only ever sort of made helpful comments. But The only time he ever asked me to change something was in the Graveyard book, which is a wonderful children's novel that he wrote.
And I had given, for reasons I can't fully explain, I decided to give the central character, who's a vampire, I decided to give him some bleached white hair. And Neil said, no, no, no, Silas has got to have black hair. And so I changed that. I didn't argue, even though his hair's not described in the text. But that's the only note Neil has ever given me.
And I love his permissiveness when he comes to work with visual people. And he works with many, many artists in the different books he does. And I think that's his approach. He says, over to you, you interpret it in the way that you see fit. And that gives one wonderful freedom to interpret these fantastic words.
I'm sort of astonished because with something like Odd and the Frost Giants and the way that you've drawn those creatures that seem so intensely connected to Norse mythology, I just presumed that you as an artist and he as a writer were back and forwarding on all of that.
Chapter 8: What is Chris Riddell's perspective on illustrating poetry?
No, no. I mean, I do work with writers where we are, you know, very collaboratively sort of mixed up, if you will, where, you know, I will do a sketch and then, A writer, a longtime collaborator of mine, Paul Stewart, we've worked for many years. And Paul often takes drawings I've done and characters I've created and incorporates them within the narrative.
And so changes the way that he writes in order to sort of interpret what I've drawn. And it's the opposite with Neil. He gives me the fully formed piece and then allows me to get on with it. So Odd and the Frost Giants was my sort of homage, I think, to the great illustrator Kay Nielsen. who has this, I mean, I describe it as Nordic Baroque.
It's this fantastic sort of ice-cold art nouveau quality of design that this artist has. And so I immerse myself in the world of Kay Nielsen, who does a mean frost giant, and very good on trolls as well. But also, you know, and so there are a few illustrations in Odd and the Frost Giants that I'd wrecked uh, steals from, from Kay Nielsen compositions.
Um, I'd like to say that it's a homage to Kay Nielsen, but, uh, uh, he was there with me as, as I illustrated. Um, and Neil went with it. He just spent fine. You know, this is, this is the way you see it.
Wow. Well, let's talk about the latest book, which is, I guess, the sort of hook for this discussion. And that's Pirate Stew, illustrated by you and written by Neil Gaiman. So you've already explained how much imaginative space you've been given for this. But pirates, what's the appeal of drawing or imagining pirates with children? And there's a domestic context too.
Did you know, Kate, I have no idea. I mean, you know, a book about pirates, it's not going to sell very well. It's a very obscure topic. I don't think children like pirates at all. I don't know what Neil was thinking. Pirates and babysitters. I think that's the two things that he's connected. And I think as a sort of bedtime story, it's just wonderful.
It has, you know, as you say, pirates, that's a good hook. It's also sort of one of these lovely, almost Dr. Seuss style sort of stories about parents going off and leaving the kids in the capable hands of a sort of buccaneering pirate cook. His crew soon arrive and mayhem ensues all in this lovely sort of cadence that Neil has, a sort of rhyming cadence.
So it is just a delicious bedtime story, a lovely sort of picture book. And Neil does this wonderful thing where, you know, when he gets excited by a project, particularly if it's a short text like this, he'll often call me on the phone and my mobile phone will go and I will see, you know, caller unknown or sort of, you know, because Neil is often in far-flung places.
I'm never quite sure where in the globe he might be calling me from. And I found myself on a train heading up to London, a commuter train, back in the days when we sat on trains with impunity and my phone went off and it was Neil calling from some other time zone in the middle of America. And he read me this story over the phone.
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