The Briefing with Jen Psaki
Control, Halt, Delete: Chaos Ensues As Trump Seeks to Demolish Federal Government
Sun, 2 Feb
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Jen Psaki breaks down President Donald Trump's ongoing efforts this week to dismantle the federal government through mass purges, funding freezes and power grabs. Jen is joined by Representative Jamie Raskin to discuss his concerns about Trump's unprecedented mass firing of federal employees and Elon Musk's DOGE team gaining access to the Treasury Department payment system. Next, Jen is joined by Senator Amy Klobuchar to discuss the economic implications of the sweeping tariffs Trump will impose on the United States' three largest trading partners, as well as her reaction to Trump's retaliatory firing of key FBI and DOJ staff. Then, Jen breaks down how RFK Jr. stands to financially benefit from his dangerous anti-vax conspiracy theories if he's confirmed as HHS secretary. Jen is joined by Senator Maggie Hassan to reflect on her powerful speech blasting RFK's false vaccine claims at his confirmation hearing. Finally, Jen shares her conversation with MSNBC Host Chris Hayes about his new book 'The Siren's Call'. Check out our social pages below:https://twitter.com/InsideWithPsakihttps://www.instagram.com/InsideWithPsaki/https://www.tiktok.com/@insidewithpsakihttps://www.msnbc.com/jen-psaki
Chapter 1: What are Trump's plans for dismantling the federal government?
OK, everyone, I'm just going to acknowledge from the outset here that there is a lot of stuff happening right now that may feel confusing, scary, like you have a lot of questions. I mean, Donald Trump's plans to essentially unravel the federal government and basically gut our law enforcement agencies, that's unfolding before our eyes.
A federal funding freeze earlier this week shook communities in every corner of the country, maybe yours too. Elon Musk and his cronies just gained access to the entire federal payment system, which everybody should be paying attention to. Trump just fired the first shots in a trade war yesterday that he admitted this morning will cause pain for American consumers.
And confirmation hearings this week further exposed just how dangerous some of his picks are to lead government agencies. It is a lot. I get it. I want to underscore something that I think is really important for all of you to remember. And that is Trump and his team really do think that all of this is inevitable, that they will be able to do all of this without pushback. But they won't.
They think they will all just that we all of us will just stand by eyes glazed over and not even bother to question and to understand what they are doing. But we're not. We won't. It's such a cliche, but knowledge really is power in this moment. Understanding and questioning and learning is power in this moment.
So today we're going to try our best to explain this stuff with some very smart people. I am so happy we're able to talk to us today. Senator Amy Klobuchar had some of the sharpest questioning of Kash Patel during his confirmation hearing for FBI director Kavanaugh. She's going to be here today. Senator Maggie Hassan pretty much left the room speechless during RFK Jr. 's hearing.
She's going to join us as well. And Congressman Jamie Raskin is here in studio to talk about Trump's unprecedented purge of the Department of Justice and the FBI. And that story is where we're going to start today.
Because late Friday night, we learned that Trump administration officials forced out a number of the FBI's most senior executives and multiple heads of the Bureau's field offices all across the country. Now, that included the leader of the field office here in Washington, D.C., the office, of course, that investigated Donald Trump.
At the same time, the DOJ fired nearly two dozen federal prosecutors who investigated the January 6th insurrectionists. And remember... All of this comes after a dozen officials who worked with special counsel Jack Smith were fired just last Monday, as in six days ago. So I think it's pretty clear what's going on here. I think you all know what's going on here.
And this latest round of political retaliation against federal law enforcement is already staggering. All of that I just said. But here's the thing. It could get much worse, and we have to pay attention to that.
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Chapter 2: How is the federal funding freeze affecting communities?
So this story is literally developing in real time, and we don't know how it's going to end. But we do know that a functioning, fully staffed FBI across the country is critical for the safety, security, and well-being of every community. And we know that Trump is doing everything he can to dismantle it, just like he's trying to basically dismantle everything right now.
It may feel like a year ago, it feels like that to me, but the week started with the Trump administration releasing a memo that appeared to freeze all government spending. And that means every loan, every grant, all of it.
They claim the pause was intended to root out, and this is a direct quote because I can't make this up, Marxist equity, transgenderism, and Green New Deal social engineering policies, whatever that means.
And sure, that might have sounded great to some MAGA diehards, I'm sure that's who it was written for, and some very online Republicans, just like deleting the entire FBI or three-fourths of it might sound good. But when that funding freeze actually happened, people across this country understandably freaked out.
I mean, just listen to what local newscasts sounded like in the hours and days after that order.
The words that local agencies gave me today, chaotic and confusing.
Chaos and confusion. Mass confusion.
Confusion. Even more confusion. Widespread disruption in health care research, education programs, and other initiatives.
Several states, including Utah, reported error messages like this, warning of delays and or rejections of payment.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Trump's mass firings in the FBI?
I just said in the opening, I mean, this is an ongoing story. We've amazing reporters reporting on it, but there is this list that is reportedly being created that could be made public of people who have worked on these prosecutions, investigated them in a variety of ways.
Are you concerned about that list becoming public and a target being on the backs of these people as the January 6th insurrectionists were released?
Well, um, Enrique Tarrio, who's a leader of the Proud Boys, has posted online, I think this morning, the name of an FBI agent demanding her investigation and her arrest for. various imaginary crimes he thinks that she has committed.
So we're in a situation now where the pardoned criminals believe that they've got more power, and they're probably right, with the new government than FBI agents, than law enforcement officials, and then prosecutors. And they want a complete purge of the government to bring everybody directly under mega control.
Let me there. I could keep talking to you about this, but I want to ask you just about because I've been thinking about it constantly since the news broke about the Treasury secretary giving access to Elon Musk's Doge team to the federal payment system where Social Security tracks are given out. IRS refunds are given out. There's personal information in there.
This is a topic I have a lot of friends saying, what does this mean? What does this mean? What should people understand about what it means? And is there anything Congress can do to prevent that?
Yeah. Well, we don't know exactly what it means. As you're saying, it is comprehensive. It's Social Security payments. It's Medicare. It's Medicaid. It's federal government salaries to all of these people who are within the sights of the of the new administration. It's also government contracts. And so there's a profound conflict of interest that saturates the entire thing.
You have Elon Musk, who himself receives billions of dollars in government contracts now seizing control over the payment systems to government contractors, including himself, including potential rivals, including potential friends. And what could go wrong? Right.
And we don't know that this is happening, but he could, having access, they could cancel contracts in there and they could up their contract. And that's not legal, but there are decisions they could make in that system.
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Chapter 4: How will the new tariffs impact American consumers?
Chapter 5: What is the significance of Elon Musk's access to federal payment systems?
line agents that are just doing their job, why are they—they got assigned to a case because a violent felon went in and assaulted a police officer, and they are now getting put on a list. So, I had thought that Trump was talking about public safety in his campaign. Kash Patel is out there basically saying, well, yeah.
I don't remember that I said we should prosecute the police officers before—that testified at the January 6 hearing. But guess what? He did that. He actually agreed with Steve Bannon on his podcast, or Joe Padge, that that should happen. That is what we are seeing right now. And the Kash Patel part of this is an unbelievable problem for public safety in America.
It raises lots of questions, but one of them per the moment you mentioned from the hearing where he either lied to all of your faces or he was out of the loop. I don't know the answer to that. But do you think given the news on Friday, this this gives members of your committee justification for delaying the vote on him?
I hope so. You know, we have people on the committee, Republicans. The Democrats, of course, are opposed. But we have Republicans that have been prosecutors before. We have people like Senator Grassley as the chair, who cares about things like whistleblowers and how agencies function. And listen to what Kash Patel said.
Kash Patel actually said that they should close down the FBI headquarters, where the major terrorism and cyber investigations happen. He said that earlier. He just ignored it when I tried to ask him, didn't you say that? He wouldn't really answer it. Then you go to other things that he has said in the past about his list that he put together.
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Chapter 6: How are lawmakers responding to Trump's actions?
He called it, you know, government gangsters and deep state. He put people on the list, like Denis McDonough. the former veterans secretary, who's done an incredible job.
He put people on the list, like Bill Barr, the Republican attorney general, presumably because he said that he didn't think Kash Patel could get a job, in his words, over his dead body, should not work at the FBI, presumably because Barr would not admit that, in fact, the election was rigged, and said he found no evidence of that.
Kash Patel has a revenge agenda when he gets to the FBI, and you're already seeing it right now in real time as we go into his vote in the committee.
Even before he gets there, I mean, we also know this week that about two people installed in the FBI director's office, one is a former aide to Jim Jordan, another with ties to Elon Musk. This is an agency where there's only one political appointee, typically. Explain to our viewers why that is alarming.
Because in the past, while the FBI director, who usually serves 10 terms, right, and I supported FBI directors nominated by Republican presidents like Christopher Wray, because I believe so strongly that you have to have someone with the experience to run this kind of an agency and someone that has the trust of the people that work with him. I know during Christopher Wray's term,
The applicants to the FBI have gone up threefold, three times the amount of people have applied during the time he's been there than in the past. And he has been able to gain the trust of the 38,000 people that work there. So, you do not have these political people populating under the director, and that is exactly what they're doing. Jim Jordan's person, someone with ties to Elon Musk.
And in answering your questions that you asked Congressman Raskin about Elon Musk, I don't understand. Why doesn't he divest his holdings if he is making actual decisions in the government that pertain to the work that he does, where he's looking at government contractors and That is something that's going to have to be considered.
I don't think anyone expected that he would have the role that he does when he got to Washington. I thought he was running companies.
Senator Amy Klobuchar, maybe he wants to pad his pockets. We don't entirely know, but I expect all of you to look into it. Thank you so much for joining me. Up next, a key Republican senator practically begs RFK Jr. to disavow a conspiracy theory, and RFK Jr. refuses. I'm going to explain that after a quick break.
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Chapter 7: What concerns arise from the purge of law enforcement officials?
Yeah, I'm not going to vote for Mr. Kennedy, as is true with every confirmation vote I take. I work really hard to make sure I begin the process with an open mind. In Mr. Kennedy's case, I was certainly skeptical because of his vaccine denialism, among other things.
But, look, what I saw on Wednesday and Thursday was a man entirely unprepared to be the secretary of this agency, the lead healthcare spokesperson in the United States of America, for the reasons we've discussed, but also the way he uses this supposed skepticism—it's really his cynicism about science—to injure us in other ways.
One of the other lines of questioning we had was whether he understood that Mifepristone which is, of course, the drug that about half of the women in the country who seek abortions use for medication abortions, whether that was safe. And he wouldn't commit to that on Wednesday, even though, again, I had a stack of studies this—
this tall, that said that it is safe and effective, he will do whatever Donald Trump tells him to do. That's been very clear, because he's abandoned his support for reproductive rights in pursuing this job. But there's just so many ways that the secretary of Health and Human Services impacts the daily lives of Americans. He didn't know that Medicaid, for instance, covers addiction treatment.
He didn't know that Medicaid is what pays for seniors in nursing homes. He didn't know that disabled kids get care through the Medicaid program. He was clueless about the Medicare program and what different pieces of it—what's entailed in different parts of the Medicare program. This is not somebody who should be leading the biggest and most important health agency, really, I think, in the world.
The last thing I'll just say to you about that is that I heard from a constituent this week who, since she was 11 years old—she's about my age in her 60s now, I think—she's been getting health care through the National Institutes of Health, cutting-edge health care for a rare condition. There are thousands of Americans who seek NIH health care every year, but he wants to lay people off.
He doesn't really know what it does. His cynicism about this role, his cynicism about science, the way he uses it for his own personal fame and benefit, is really, really damaging to the cause of science and progress. And it will impact people all across this country in just dramatic and terrible ways.
Senator Maggie Hassan, thank you for speaking so passionately with us and at that hearing. I appreciate you joining me today. We'll be right back. Thank you so much for having me. Right now, we are all in constant competition for attention.
I mean, whether it's media trying to break through an increasingly crowded information environment or politicians trying to communicate with voters or even parents attempting to connect with their kids at a time when social media and screens are dominating all of our lives.
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Chapter 8: What does the future hold for federal agencies under Trump's administration?
And it's hit me over the last 10 days. I have obviously been a longtime consumer of Trump, but I've never hosted a TV show. Well, Trump has been president, and it feels quite different to figure out what to follow and cover and what not to cover. How do you think about that? And how do you reflect on the first term and apply that to now?
There's this weird synchronicity now between how we feel about our attention with Trump and how we feel about it broadly in the world of the social media platforms and our screens, which is the sense of like something kind of insistently trying to grab our attention that we're not sure we actually want to pay attention to. One of the principles I've told myself here is that focus is power.
And I think you saw this over the past week where this executive order or this memo comes out from OMB freezing all the federal funding in the government. And there was a focused pushback on it. It was the story. It was a bunch of questions in the White House briefing, like over and over and over again.
It was all the members of Congress, House, Senate talking about what they heard from their constituents. Focusing really has a power. And one of the things that Trump tries to do is overwhelm the ability to focus. And I think there's a real lesson there. The chaos is the point, right? The chaos is the point.
The idea of dominating attention, even if it's dominating negatively, and dominating in such a way so that you are always interrupting things with new stimuli.
One of the things that's been interesting in the political world, and you talk about this in your book, is that there have been a lot of efforts to model that, to copycat that in the Republican Party, right, to grab attention, to try to say things that are outrageous, to be trollers from people like Carrie Lake and Herschel Walker and Dr. Oz and others. All of them lost, though.
And they seem to be following this model that should in some ways work, given it's worked for Trump. Why do you think that is?
This is one of the most interesting unanswered questions of the Trump age, which is that Trump has figured out that even negative attention is still attention and dominating attention is all that matters. My theory on this is this. You can only act like Trump if you are authentically that pathologically dependent on attention.
Because there's something about Trump and his desire for attention that is authentic. It is what animates him. He is not faking it. He needs it all the time. If you try to pretend to be that person, it doesn't work. Like, there's some level of inauthenticity that ends up coming back to bite those candidates.
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