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The Briefing

Trump to host peace talks + The neuroscience behind burnout

23 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the latest headlines regarding US-Iran tensions?

2.63 - 4.032 Sasha Barbagat

A listener production.

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7.717 - 25.583 Helen Smith

Hi, Helen Smith here with you. Welcome to The Briefing. While burnout and stress might feel inevitable and part of life, neuroscience is telling a different story. One that reveals the endless pings, virtual meetings and screen time we live with are simply not compatible with a healthy brain.

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25.563 - 43.625 Dr. Christy Goodwin

We're designed to sigh roughly every five minutes while we're awake. It's a natural part of our HOS that is designed to regulate our stress response. But when we're spending hours with this very narrow gaze on our screens, our sigh rate falls off the cliff. And so we are holding our breath. We're having that biological response.

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Chapter 2: What allegations surround Ben Roberts-Smith's recent court documents?

43.705 - 48.01 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And so just that subtle act of looking at our screens elevates our stress.

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47.99 - 55.738 Helen Smith

That's coming up in the second half of this episode. First, though, let's get into the headlines with Sasha Barber-Gatt. It's Friday, the 24th of April.

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59.178 - 77.061 Sasha Barbagat

Thanks, Helen. We start today again in the Middle East as tensions continue to escalate between the US and Iran in the Strait of Hormuz. Donald Trump has claimed the US has, quote, total control over the key waterway and has issued an order to his navy to shoot and kill any boat laying mines in the strait.

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77.381 - 95.72 Helen Smith

The US president making these comments even after Iranian commandos boarded and seized two foreign cargo ships this week. The world is still in the dark about the status of peace talks between the warring nations, but the ceasefire remains in place and is set to until Iran makes a unified proposal.

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95.781 - 107.971 Helen Smith

However, the future of the ceasefire is unclear as well because Iran never formally agreed to the measure and has criticised the US's blockade of its ports, labelling it an act of war.

Chapter 3: What is the current status of peace talks involving Trump?

108.251 - 120.949 Sasha Barbagat

Meantime, on another front of this war, peace talks are getting underway today. The US ambassadors from Lebanon and Israel Israel are meeting in Washington, with Beirut set to ask for an extension of the ceasefire between the pair.

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121.349 - 130.547 Sasha Barbagat

Tel Aviv, meantime, says it has no serious disagreements with Lebanon, but wants to destroy militant group Hezbollah, which is backed by Iran and operates in the country.

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130.867 - 145.564 Helen Smith

Trump will reportedly meet with both officials at the White House. Now, amidst this ceasefire, there have been Israeli strikes on the southern part of Lebanon, with a journalist among those killed, her funeral drawing thousands of mourners overnight.

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145.612 - 162.549 Sasha Barbagat

And look, just on the Strait of Hormuz, Trump making that threat about any boats laying mines in the Strait, there has been a Pentagon assessment that's estimated it could take six months to completely clear the Strait of Hormuz of mines that have been deployed by the Iranian army.

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162.609 - 180.072 Sasha Barbagat

Now, some officials within the White House have come out to question that and say, well, maybe that's not quite accurate. But there is this one assessment at least, and from the Pentagon, might I add, that says that We could be, even if this war ends tomorrow, it still might not be safe for ships to use it for six months.

180.172 - 193.337 Sasha Barbagat

So, yeah, the ongoing ripple effects of this war that we see here in Australia, the petrol, the groceries, you know, any hope that we'll see a swift end once the war is over, they continue to fade.

193.357 - 204.899 Helen Smith

There's just more and more bad news. Court documents have revealed Ben Robert Smith was allegedly attempting to move overseas before his arrest at Sydney Airport over war crime allegations.

205.419 - 223.898 Helen Smith

The Victorian cross recipient was possibly planning to relocate to Singapore, Spain or the US and was set to fly overseas to Singapore just four days after he was arrested with a return booking for the end of June. His partner was also booked to fly out the day after him and to return at the end of June.

223.878 - 244.709 Sasha Barbagat

The details were made public by a judge yesterday, along with other material that was before the New South Wales local court for his successful bail last week. Now, a statement by the Office of the Special Investigator said they held concerns that the 47-year-old was attempting to relocate outside Australia, but that the final destination and duration of this relocation was unclear.

Chapter 4: How does neuroscience explain the phenomenon of burnout?

337.369 - 343.378 Sasha Barbagat

So, yeah, government officials are kind of going, well, if we do this now, what will happen to our fuel supply?

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343.418 - 362.284 Helen Smith

Yeah, and that was a major point of key discussions when Anthony Albanese was overseas in Asia discussing our fuel supply and security to get those deals across the line. Now, briefly, the PM was also asked about changes to capital gains and negative gearing, something we discussed in yesterday's Deep Dive. Here's what he had to say.

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362.584 - 378.726 Anthony Albanese

Well, we'll have a budget on May 12. What I do say is that we do need to look at, in any budget, equity. And part of that is intergenerational equity. And I'm a Labor Prime Minister and I'll always look at fairness in the system.

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378.706 - 386.519 Helen Smith

So like the gas tax, we're being told all will be revealed when Treasurer Jim Chalmers hands down the budget on May 12th.

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386.539 - 404.758 Sasha Barbagat

Yeah, just quickly an update as well on the NDIS changes that Labor is going to try and get through Parliament. It looks like they won't have any issues passing those amendments to eligibility rules and some other reforms that they want to make to the system to make it cheaper. It will have bipartisan support from the coalition.

404.798 - 409.86 Sasha Barbagat

Angus Taylor came out yesterday to say they will work with Labor on getting those reforms through.

411.022 - 433.553 Helen Smith

British actor Russell Brand has admitted to having sex with a 16-year-old when he was 30, claiming it was exploitative and consensual. It comes after the now 50-year-old was charged and pleaded not guilty last year to two counts of rape, one count of indecent assault and two counts of sexual assault against four women between 1999 and 2005.

433.533 - 443.685 Helen Smith

Then in February this year, he was charged with two additional counts of rape and sexual assault, which occurred nearly two decades ago, pleading not guilty in a London court.

443.865 - 455.76 Sasha Barbagat

Now, when asked about the allegations against him and sleeping with a 16-year-old on The Megyn Kelly Show, he described himself as an exploiter of women and said that fame fuelled opportunities for endless consent.

Chapter 5: What biological responses does the brain have to chronic stress?

472.579 - 488.818 Russell Brand

I recognise that my sexual conduct in the past was selfish and I did not apply enough consideration, barely any, I suppose, really, to how that sex was affecting other people.

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488.866 - 505.909 Sasha Barbagat

Now, Brand was due to stand trial in June this year on those first five charges, but since being slapped with the two additional offences, the trial is now set to take place in October. And this trial will take up to eight weeks and is set to address Brand's seven charges of rape and sexual assault relating to six women.

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506.31 - 517.405 Sasha Barbagat

Now, if you or anyone you know needs help and this story has brought up any issues for you, you can contact the 1800RESPECT National Helpline. That's 1800 737 732.

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518.363 - 533.773 Helen Smith

And a reminder, tomorrow is Anzac Day, with commemorations to remember and honour Australia's servicemen and women happening right across the country. The day will start with dawn services at parks, RSLs and memorials in every corner of the country.

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533.753 - 550.499 Sasha Barbagat

If you are planning on heading out to one tomorrow, the good news is there are clear skies forecast for almost the entire country except for Queensland where there might be some showers around. And if you do want to watch from home, the ABC is showing the National Dawn Service at Canberra's Australian War Memorial from 5.30am.

550.539 - 556.048 Sasha Barbagat

Also, though, check your local RSL's Facebook page because many are choosing to stream their services as well, Helen.

556.028 - 566.685 Helen Smith

Yeah, and a reminder too, it's a public holiday for some Aussies on Monday. New South Wales, ACT and WA get it off. The rest of the country, though, isn't so lucky.

566.945 - 582.691 Sasha Barbagat

Yeah, we will be here. Well, Helen, you've actually got a day off for a different reason after working so very hard with us on the mornings over the last three weeks while Chris and I took some leave. But the briefing will be here bright and early at 6 a.m., bringing you the latest headlines and another deep dive.

583.091 - 599.198 Sasha Barbagat

Also, if you want to watch any of the international dawn services, so there's one from Gallipoli that will be aired on the ABC at 12.30. And Villas Bretonneux, that service is from 1.30 p.m. Of course, as well, we can't talk about Anzac Day, Helen, without talking about the footy. Are you going to watch any? No. No.

Chapter 6: What are the signs that indicate someone is experiencing burnout?

762.794 - 780.68 Dr. Christy Goodwin

So we have got this ancient software trying to run on hardware our brains that are around 100,000 years old. And so there's this complete mismatch between how we're living and working and how we're neurobiologically designed as humans. I often call our brains our HOS, our human operating system.

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781.22 - 792.473 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And I think that the way that we're living, I often say we're living in a world where we're always on, we're rarely focused and we're never recovered is completely incompatible with how our HOS was designed.

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792.873 - 807.79 Sasha Barbagat

Yeah. So what does that look like in practice then? Like for the modern person going about their day and their week and their life, how are we seeing those repetitive alerts and like that constant always on energy translating to things like burnout?

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808.057 - 828.664 Dr. Christy Goodwin

We sadly are seeing really chronic rates of stress, exhaustion and burnout in Australia and globally. And we see this just in terms of how we operate. A very, very simple, granular way in which our digital habits are impacting us. And I often say, you know, let's be honest, technology has got its tentacles into every part of our lives, professionally and personally.

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828.644 - 846.923 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And its impact is often invisible, but I believe it's invasive. And we don't even recognise some of the really subtle ways that technology can make us stressed. So, for example, when we're looking at our screens, you know, we're scrolling on our phones, we're looking at our laptops or our desktops, which we're spending hours a day doing.

Chapter 7: How can individuals develop resilience against stress?

846.903 - 868.287 Dr. Christy Goodwin

That very narrow gaze that we adopt when we look at our very relatively small surface area of our screens elevates our stress because we do not sigh. When we look at our screens, we hold our breath. There's been a study done to look at a phenomenon called email apnea. And when we go into our inboxes, we literally...

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868.267 - 888.17 Dr. Christy Goodwin

hold our breath, we dump a whole lot of cortisol, our pupils dilate, our heart rate accelerates, and it causes that physiological stress response. Now, because we're spending hours a day doing a lot of this near distance work on our screens, that absence of sighing means that we elevate our stress levels because we're designed to sigh roughly every five minutes while we're awake.

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888.23 - 903.31 Dr. Christy Goodwin

It's a natural part of our HOS that is designed to regulate our stress response. But when we're spending hours with this very narrow gaze on our screens, our sigh rate falls off the cliff. And so we are holding our breath. We're having that biological response I mentioned.

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903.35 - 926.005 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And so just that subtle act of looking at our screens elevates our stress, let alone the stressors that we consume through social media, news sites that can add to our stress, back-to-back virtual meetings. All of these things accumulate, but And I often say they're micro-stressors, but those little micro-stressors are those pebbles in our shoe that really play havoc on our biology.

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926.486 - 936.322 Sasha Barbagat

Yeah, wow. The sighing thing is fascinating. I hadn't heard that. And so you've labelled a lot of this phenomenon as, under the term success tax.

936.382 - 943.09 Dr. Christy Goodwin

What does that mean? Look, I work with a lot of, and I see incredibly accomplished people who achieve their, you know, hit their KPIs.

Chapter 8: What practical steps can one take to manage stress in daily life?

943.15 - 962.854 Dr. Christy Goodwin

They achieve from an optics perspective, all the traditional measures of success. But along the way, they sacrifice their physical health, their mental wellbeing, their relationships, or sometimes they hit the trifecta and they compromise all three in their relentless pursuit of success because we're living and working in ways that are completely incompatible with our human operating system.

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962.834 - 980.939 Dr. Christy Goodwin

I had an experience myself that made me realise I almost paid the ultimate success tax. At the height of the pandemic, like many people, I contracted COVID. Now, I need to say I was a fit, vaccinated woman with no underlying health issues. I got very sick with COVID, so sick that I was having uncontrollable seizures alongside COVID.

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980.959 - 999.82 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And one wet Wednesday morning, our great Dane Tommy found me on the floor next to our bed convulsing once again. Oh. And I was rushed to a code red ward and hooked up to a ventilator, unable to breathe. And after extensive medical testing, the only reason that the doctors came up with as to why I was so sick and having these seizures with COVID was that I was burnt out.

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1000.421 - 1014.415 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And I'd heard the whispers. I think we all hear the whispers from our body, you know, release the stress valve, you know, slow down, take a break. But we ignore those whispers. And I arrogantly, ignorantly thought I could keep hustling and pushing through until And our bodies keep score.

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1014.575 - 1034.843 Dr. Christy Goodwin

And so I lay there realizing I'd almost paid the ultimate success tax by sacrificing my physical health in pursuit of success. And so I was lucky I left that COVID ward. A lot of other patients did not. And I made a pledge to myself that I was going to stop working and paying the success tax and start living and working the way that our HOS is designed for us to work.

1034.823 - 1053.979 Sasha Barbagat

Yeah, wow, what an incredible story and, you know, amazing that you were able to come out the other side of that and recognise as well and make those changes. For some people, they don't get to make those changes before maybe it's affecting their health in such a serious way as you experienced. What should people be doing then? Because we can't not work. No.

1053.959 - 1059.707 Sasha Barbagat

How do we make changes then in our work life without sacrificing our careers?

1060.208 - 1083.78 Dr. Christy Goodwin

This is all I often talk about micro habits. What are small little adjustments that you can make to your everyday life so that you are living the way that we are designed to, living in compatibility with our HOS. And so one of the key things we have to, I think, disrupt this dominant narrative that stress is bad for us. The reality is that our brains, our HOS is designed for stress.

1083.76 - 1103.769 Dr. Christy Goodwin

stress in short bursts and we're designed to close out the stress cycle. So one of the key things that we have to develop is our, I call it our stress adaptability. And there are three ways we can do that. The first thing we can do is to build our tolerance for stress. And there are so many any science-backed solutions in terms of how do we develop that tolerance for stress.

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