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The Bulwark Podcast

Jane Coaston: Trump's Racism Notches Another Win

26 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What recent Supreme Court ruling affects Haitian immigrants?

0.031 - 11.357 Professor Devi Sridhar

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12.704 - 31.472 Duncan Wisbey

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44.868 - 59.601 Tim Miller

Hello, welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. I am delighted, but not as delighted as you, the audiences, to welcome back to the show, host of Crooked Media's What A Day podcast, which is now daily, coming for me. But it's shorter. It's shorter. Okay, you can do both.

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60.562 - 71.911 Tim Miller

And she's also, as I mentioned yesterday, you people like her so much, she's the current record holder for most audio downloads of a single podcast. And I think it's just because people wanted her Melania take so bad. It's Jane Koston.

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71.931 - 73.693 Jane Coaston

Hello. It's good to see you, Tim.

73.808 - 75.452 Tim Miller

Jane, high bar for you to clear.

75.713 - 84.795 Jane Coaston

I know. I know. Regrettably, we don't have Melania Trump explaining how we should have just read her book, but no one read her book. I'm so sorry. I still haven't.

85.476 - 91.952 Tim Miller

I should have pulled a clip just for fun. We should have just done a flash. I had nothing to do with it.

91.932 - 97.858 Jane Coaston

How I Met My Husband, which I detailed in my book. And I'm like, no, we didn't read it.

Chapter 2: How does Jane Coaston explain the concept of nostalgia theory?

523.776 - 550.345 Jane Coaston

Well, also like the idea that this is – Somehow a good thing for us. Like it doesn't do anything good for us. It doesn't add anything to remove people from this country. It just doesn't like like this. Like it doesn't it doesn't add anything. It detracts from us and it detracts from who we are, who I want us to be more accurately, because this is actually who we are right now.

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550.325 - 565.617 Tim Miller

I have to give you a counterpoint, Jane. Megyn Kelly, who's usually right around us in the podcast rankings, so people are listening to that show. She had a different take than you on the Haitian immigrants. And I'd like to play that for you.

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566.103 - 590.751 Megyn Kelly

Look, this has been going on for over a dozen years. Go home. Get out. We know our country's better than yours. That's because we filled it with our work ethic and our culture and our values. You being here only dilutes it for us, those who built it and live it. And half of you people, more than half, you won't assimilate. We don't want you. We don't care if you're offended. Get out. Go home.

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591.131 - 609.964 Megyn Kelly

Go back to fucking Haiti. Sorry. I'm thinking about our friends in Ohio who've been dealing with these TPS Haitians for years now, who are drunk driving all over their towns and killing people. This is the whole cats and dogs thing. They don't want to live like Americans live.

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610.298 - 633.373 Jane Coaston

You know, how Americans stand to thwart drunk driving. That is something Americans don't drunk drive. That's why there hasn't been a years-long campaign to get people to stop drunk driving. And there isn't a little device that sometimes court officers will put in your car that you have to blow into before you can start your car because Americans don't drunk drive.

633.814 - 655.206 Jane Coaston

Like what she's doing there, and this is kind of a wider thing, Is she is vice signaling. This is like, yeah, fuck you. I hate everybody. I'm a terrible person and I'm going to perform that because, oh, I'm just standing up for our friends in Ohio. Like because, you know, Megyn Kelly, who is a extraordinarily wealthy woman.

655.186 - 675.709 Jane Coaston

who has been an extraordinarily wealthy woman for a very long time, is also got her ear to the ground in Springfield, Ohio, because I am sure that she is spending a lot of time just with everyday folks in Springfield, Ohio. And I'm sure she's not just getting emails from people who are already mad about it, who are also listeners of The Megyn Kelly Show.

675.689 - 701.023 Jane Coaston

You know, she's getting like real deal contextual information from the good people of Springfield, Ohio. This is a woman who once complained about a trans woman appearing on Kim Petras, pop star, appearing in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue because she was upset because what if her sons wanted to masturbate to the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue?

701.283 - 710.157 Jane Coaston

And they saw Kim Petras and they couldn't do it. Wouldn't that be sad, Tim? Wouldn't that be so sad? It would be very sad.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Trump's comments on Haiti?

759.164 - 760.725 Tim Miller

She was, like, loving trans children.

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760.845 - 761.506 Jane Coaston

Very caring.

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761.526 - 762.527 Tim Miller

Having them on the show.

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762.567 - 762.707 Jane Coaston

Mm-hmm.

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763.167 - 767.791 Tim Miller

Yeah. Yeah. She was, like, the soft morning mom after school drop-off.

767.831 - 768.692 Jane Coaston

Yeah, lots of clapping.

768.732 - 788.351 Tim Miller

Talking about... Woo! Clapping! She did the wine dancing. But she is perpetrating a lie that, like, that is underscoring the tragedy that's happening to these people that are being sent back to Haiti for no reason. They're being menaced by our government for no reason. They're in the country working hard. going to church, raising their families.

788.752 - 811.684 Tim Miller

Like that's what was happening about most of the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio. And like this idea, I'm going to, can I steal a line from Barack Obama? The idea that like, there's this great American culture and it's like, we built this. It's like, Megan Kelly, you didn't build shit. Like she has not built any lasting culture. Cultural touchdown. She's added nothing to the culture.

811.744 - 840.476 Tim Miller

All she's trying to do is rip the country apart, undermine what made America special. The idea that Haitians haven't contributed anything to American culture. As a New Orleans resident, I do have to object to this notion because New Orleans is Alabama without Haitians. That's what New Orleans is. The Creole culture is New Orleans. And that, I think... has enriched the country quite a bit.

Chapter 4: How does the podcast address the Watergate comparison?

1422.644 - 1443.775 Tim Miller

Have we heard from any of the big activists on behalf of the January 6th choir? Have we heard from Matt Gaetz? What about Marjorie? She's out. Have we even heard from MTG about this? I don't believe we have. I might want to give MTG the bat for the doubt. If you have MTG's email or phone number out there, please ask her about this story. I don't. But, like, this is crazy.

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1443.755 - 1464.233 Jane Coaston

No, it is insane. It's objectively insane. When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you believe that you have this thing, Antifa, you know, you have created it into being an overarching terrorist network, the likes of which we have not seen since, you know, Al Qaeda or ISIS.

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1464.714 - 1483.693 Jane Coaston

Well, everything starts to look like evil Antifa, Al Qaeda, ISIS, including someone moving a box of zines. out of their house. Now, we could easily do this for any number of groups where, you know, they're moving white nationalist literature. You know, there's lots of that.

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1483.733 - 1500.971 Jane Coaston

You have some guy moving, like, printed copies of Siege or the Turner Diaries or any number of things like Attenwaff and Division, any number of these things. And I'm sure you would see people arguing, many of the same people, that, like, you know, It's not a crime to have these beliefs, you know, this moving this like.

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1500.991 - 1502.333 Tim Miller

The First Amendment's under threat.

1502.713 - 1503.013 Jane Coaston

Exactly.

1503.354 - 1512.864 Tim Miller

Remember this whole thing about how my extremist views, my First Amendment views are under threat because Facebook, a private company, deleted my post or canceled my account because I was posting.

1512.884 - 1517.729 Jane Coaston

And that's why we have to get rid of Section 230 because, you know, life is very hard for me personally.

1517.889 - 1536.657 Tim Miller

This is a very commonly expressed view on the right, including by like the richest man in the world talks about this a lot. There's this great censorship. It's an attack on the First Amendment. This is a guy who's been put in jail for 30 to 100 years for leftist zines. Like, where the fuck is Elon? Like, where is that? Where is the outrage about this?

Chapter 5: What are the consequences of the recent sentencing for anarchist zines?

1780.123 - 1785.953 Tim Miller

A lot of compromises. It includes a little bit of slop, popular slop, but that's what you got to do these days to get things through.

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1786.033 - 1787.616 Jane Coaston

That's how you do it.

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1788.137 - 1790.1 Tim Miller

On balance, pretty good, Bill.

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1790.08 - 1804.28 Jane Coaston

And it's funny because on balance, it was so good that you have Elizabeth Warren being like, yeah, and the Trump White House until, you know, everything changed very quickly saying, yeah. Yeah. And then that changed.

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1804.3 - 1806.283 Tim Miller

And even like some middle ground people, like everybody.

1806.303 - 1806.463 Jane Coaston

Yeah.

1806.503 - 1827.158 Tim Miller

So I think it had like 40 something no votes. The Yimby's were happy, so I was like, yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay. So. This week, Trump is like panties are in a bunch because he's in a couple of pissing matches with random senators like Bill Cassidy and others. And he's mad that the SAVE Act isn't passed. He thinks he thinks that the SAVE Act is going to help him steal the midterms.

1827.138 - 1838.234 Tim Miller

I'm like skeptical about that. We can talk about that if you want, but it's a really bad bill, but I don't know. I don't even know if Trump really understands what's in it. I'm pretty sure Trump just thinks it's a, this will help me steal the elections bill.

1838.254 - 1856.722 Jane Coaston

Yes. Which he keeps saying that even though like, just like one aside is that like part of it is that, you know, you would need a passport or a birth certificate to register to vote. And I don't know. And I think Matthew Iglesias has made that point. I don't know if Trump knows that. Who in America has passports? Just going to say that.

Chapter 6: What is the discussion around Caitlin Clark and WNBA discourse?

2073.327 - 2075.035 JD Vance

There is a parallel.

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2077.175 - 2080.298 Tim Miller

So you know there he's at the Nixon Foundation. So this was a planned bit.

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2080.979 - 2099.8 Tim Miller

He had planned it. It was like, you know what? I'm going to go to the Nixon Foundation, and I'm going to talk about how Watergate, not a big deal. Most of our listeners are my age or older. Not at all. We appreciate all the youngs out there. And so they either remember, learned about, or lived Watergate. There are some who might not have. So I just want to give a quick refresher.

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2100.2 - 2103.364 Tim Miller

Just one paragraph refresher on what happened at Watergate.

2103.564 - 2109.19 Jane Coaston

Because I don't think J.D. Vance knows about it. That's the other thing. I don't think he has any idea what it was.

2109.21 - 2131.974 Tim Miller

Because the deep state did play a role. The deep state did play a role in Watergate. I just... The opposite of the role that he thinks. Right. So, Mr. Nixon's aides authorized a break-in of the DNC headquarters to install bugging equipment. They were going to bug their opponents. They hired some really motley characters to do this, and they weren't particularly good at their jobs.

2132.534 - 2153.743 Tim Miller

So, they got caught. Then... The Nixon White House enlisted the CIA to help create a cover story because news of this got out and there were investigations into it. They didn't want the FBI. They didn't want the cops looking into it. So the CIA were like, guys, don't worry about this. This was a part of the plan. We're doing some spying on some terrorists. Maybe they're Antifa. Who knows?

2154.583 - 2174.401 Tim Miller

The whole operation was paid for by a slush fund out of the White House. The chief of staff knew about it. The AG knew about it. They both were convicted, went to jail. The president knew about it. You know how we know? There were tapes. The president was talking about it. So the president was colluding with the deep state to help him cover up his plot to spy on his political foes.

Chapter 7: How does the conversation shift to the 19th Amendment?

2763.691 - 2768.597 Jane Coaston

I will respect that. You know, like people make choices and I respect that.

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2768.83 - 2770.752 Tim Miller

have you suffered through any of communion?

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2770.772 - 2772.174 Jane Coaston

No, I have not. I'm, I'm good.

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2772.374 - 2775.958 Tim Miller

I'm good. I want to make you, can I give you an assignment? I kind of want to make you.

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2776.159 - 2792.458 Jane Coaston

Oh, okay. You can give me an assignment, but adult man, I will read two chapters. If you provide me with a copy of this book without me having to purchase it via using, using currency, because adult producer Ansley read it and created a document for me.

2792.438 - 2795.081 Tim Miller

Okay, so... We're going to send you some select bites.

2795.101 - 2801.227 Jane Coaston

You just send me whatever you'd like. I love adult man converts to Catholicism, and you'll never guess why.

2801.267 - 2807.293 Tim Miller

Okay. To be continued on that.

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Chapter 8: What insights are shared about the political landscape in North Carolina?

3514.908 - 3535.667 Jane Coaston

1977 was not a great time in America. A lot of problems. We had some blackouts. We had the Son of Sam. Stagflation. A lot of stagflation. A lot of issues. My favorite example of movies that if you didn't really know what they were about, you'd think were super happy, but they aren't. Saturday Night Fever is actually an incredibly depressing movie. Banging soundtrack, but like...

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3535.647 - 3551.547 Jane Coaston

it is telling when people talk about, you know, you see this with comments, like there's a lot of internet slop about like, remember how great things were. Nikki Haley did this. Like, do you remember being a child and how free and awesome things were? We're just going to get that back. And I'm like, well, you can't because people can't be 10. Um,

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3551.527 - 3573.323 Jane Coaston

there's a user on blue sky who talks a lot about like everyone is 12 theory of just people just attempting to get back to like being 12 or as I'd argue when they were young and hot. And it's like, everything is centered around when people were young and hot, the cultural norms like, Oh, you know, when I was 22, I was young and hot and dating all these people.

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3573.463 - 3586.183 Jane Coaston

I don't understand why Gen Z isn't just doing that. And I'm like, well, You are not 22. And your memories of being 22 might be a little off. So Coaster Nostalgia Theory never fails. It's always correct.

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3587.164 - 3609.2 Tim Miller

I love Coaster Nostalgia Theory, and it isn't. There's the exception that proves the rule, and it's a handful of people such as myself who have Peter Pan Syndrome. And this allows us the... We get a thick skin against... having to deal with the consequences of coasted nostalgia theory.

3609.22 - 3627.977 Tim Miller

It has its own side of problems, and some of the commenters on this very podcast have mentioned that they noticed some of the negative side effects of Peter Pan. Nobody gets out of this world without some issues. But I was listening to Joe Rogan yesterday, first time in a while, And he has, it was just a classic coastal nostalgia theory. He's just become grumpy old rich guy now.

3628.278 - 3637.953 Tim Miller

There's no joie de vivre. There's no love of life. There's no joy in the podcast. It's just him bitching about how L.A. isn't as cool as it used to be. And it's like, you know.

3637.973 - 3642.52 Jane Coaston

And you'll never guess when L.A. was at its best. When he was hot and young.

3642.5 - 3667.056 Tim Miller

And it's like, you know, here's the way to avoid that. If you want to do the Steve Buscemi, how do you do fellow kids meme? It might look embarrassing, but it makes you stay current. Because for me to acknowledge that the past was better would mean that I'm not having a good time now. And it's important to me to pretend as if I'm having a better time now than I was having when I was 22.

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