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Chapter 1: What controversial meeting was discussed involving the Situation Room?
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show, co-founder of Crooked Media, co-host of something called Pod Save America. He also has the podcast Offline with Jon Favreau. That's been a good nap podcast for me lately. It's Jon Favreau. What's up, man? What's up? Has that replaced Pod Save the World as your nap podcast?
No, they're kind of going back and forth. I was getting bored with the Iran war talk on Pod Save the World, so I'm going to go into Offline. I like both. You know, usually the first 25 minutes are good and then kind of dips in and out. Then I kind of roll back in around minute 50. Apologize to people. For number one, this could be a long podcast itself that you might want to nap to.
And I'm sorry if it came up a little bit late, but Favs was working out this morning and he had to get his pump in. And I was just hoping since neither John Ossoff nor Raphael Warnock would tell me what their workout routine is. I was hoping that since you're not running for Senate, you could do that. You could just tell us what you did this morning.
um well because because i am oh yeah because i'm old now i've like stopped running i used to run all the time and now i just lift and i just do you know not too heavy because again i'm old but i'm trying to do like lower weight but more reps that's what i'm more reps on what though you do back one day yeah you do so you do you know you do all the groups you do you do front of your body front of your body one day and then you do back the other day so what was today
Today was back. Yeah, so I did some back stuff. I did some deadlifts. My hammies start hurting during a deadlift. Some pulls, some triceps. My ladies' weights class, they've got me doing the deadlifts. The moms are mogging me on the deadlifts. My hamstrings get a little tight.
It's tough.
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Chapter 2: How are the Epstein files and Trump connected in this conversation?
Or might they close the Strait again? Might they start firing rockets into Israel again? And then we're right back into it. So the problem is, like, there's no deal unless all the parties are involved and everyone's a little pissed off. And the fact that we're doing this, like, skinny deal where maybe we just open the Strait. With Pakistan as the middleman.
Like, we're not even talking, really, you know, to them. It doesn't seem like Trump's even actually talking to any of the Iranians. Yeah, and they want to call it, like, the Islamabad Accord, of course, because, like— Again, just like Trump and Bibi, Pakistan is very interesting in getting some good PR for Pakistan. I loved this.
They did the briefing this morning that they've been doing for the MAGA influencers. And then all the MAGA influencers then post into X like, Siren! Senior administration official tells us no dollars without dust. And Kayleigh McEnany, former spokesperson, posted this morning. 75% there. President's instinct is to give them five, six, seven more days.
I like that especially because Kayleigh two weeks ago was on Fox talking about how they're 95% of the way there. So we've gone backwards now. But it's okay. It's right around the corner. I'm sure it'll be done by Sunday. I got kind of a political question about how the Democrats should deal with this for you. I was dozing off to Pod Save the World on Sunday.
And Tommy and Ben were talking about this. And you could tell they like...
really want to call trump the p word you know and just be like you got into this thing but you don't want to follow through on it and now you're stuck and this deal is humiliating and it sucks and it's embarrassing and you're weak and like tommy's saying that basically but then it's like there's always a caveat in the progressive circles which is like well i don't i don't want him to actually escalate
You know, like, I don't want to scare him to escalate. Ryan Grim posted this this morning, just telling me did great. And he won bigly. And we can get out of this lefty kind of populist. Graham was on a couple months ago. I feel like Democratic senators kind of have this in there. And they're not as explicit about it as podcasters. But you can kind of tell it's in their internal.
you know monologue like they don't want to mock him and i just i don't know i kind of want to give trump the jimmy carter treatment like how would fox have treated jimmy carter you know like and i just i feel like ms now and you guys and democratic senators and everybody should just be like
you're a fucking little bitch like you saw this is humiliating like this is so embarrassing like you started a war and you can't finish it like why why what's the case against doing that besides you know humanitarian political case against it My view on these things is you always start with what is true and what you actually believe.
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Chapter 3: What insights did Jon Favreau provide about campaign contributions?
I want either Code Pink... you know, anti, right? Like this Trump's war for oil is raising your gas prices. Like I want that or I want Trump's, you know, a little girly boy, right? Like they can't follow back up what he offers.
I think we have come to think that painting Trump as weak, you know, unlocks some kind of political benefit that we have been missing for so long just because their side is all about, you know, making their opponents weak and that they're strong. But I still think in a way that's playing on their field.
The vision of government we want is not a strong man or an authoritarian who makes all the decisions and just fucking runs into wars all the time. We don't want that vision of government. We want a vision of government where like people cooperate. And I think what most people in the country want is they don't want a war like this.
They do want America protected, but they don't want unnecessary wars that cost American lives and taxpayer dollars and killing a bunch of civilians all over the world. Like that's what most people in the country want. That's where they are. So Democrats should be there too. That sounds right.
What I'm just trying to do is I feel like it's my role as a former Republican to kind of inhabit the skin of what Sean Hannity would do. So like I'm not saying that I want like misogynistic attacks on Trump and talking about how he's basically a eunuch. You know, like I don't know that that's like I really want the Democrats to do. Like I understand why people would bristle at that.
But, you know, there's just something that's a little bit unsatisfying that it's not happening. You know, when I know that it would happen, it's on the shoes on the other foot. You know, the guy's he's at the he's at the bush line. He's he's going to head down to the deck line. Yeah. Thank you. People are thinking about him in some way. That's not great.
And if it's not that, like, he's a weak pussy, then it is like he's a unbelievably corrupt narcissist who doesn't give a shit about anyone by himself. Like, that's fine. Yeah. That's a good frame, too. Yeah, he's incompetent. He doesn't want to care about you. He blundered his way into this stupid war. People don't like that either, you know?
And also, like, he tried to be strong, but, like, is his version of strength working out for anyone? I don't think it is. Maybe stupidity is right. Like, this is really dumb.
you know like this is the stupidest war imaginable you don't know why he's doing it he doesn't know why he's doing it you're being hurt people are you said you're bored of listening to the war uh about the war and around like he's he's bored the president who took us to war is now bored because he has no attention span because he's an 80 year old you know narcissist and doesn't know what he's doing so like and he just wants to like work on his home renovation projects like that that is enough
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Chapter 4: How does the podcast address the perception of America 250?
And then the rest of the time I can talk about the working class tax cuts that we passed and the progress we're making on the economy. Sure. That's brilliant. Brilliant, sir. Brilliant. I also liked when the White House counsel raised the idea of pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell. The piece made sure to note that everyone around the table registered their strong disapproval.
But then big boy Stephen Chung, his quote was just fantastic, which is, pardoning Maxwell, a trafficker of young girls, would create a huge PR problem.
Yeah.
You don't say. Wow. This is why he was picked for the job. Also goes right to that, right? Like not even a shred of like moral appropriation. Before we get to the nipples, these are the two things I just don't want to gloss over. Number one, there's – it's a very long article.
I get no point anywhere in the article is anybody like, you know, we really probably should take seriously the idea that we should go through the Epstein files and identify people that were involved in the child sex trafficking and that were complicit in the child sex trafficking and have investigations of them or that we should try to find justice for the victims, the girls who were raped by these powerful men.
Like that does not come up at all in the Situation Room meeting. The partnering of Maxwell is brought up and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan podcast interviews are brought up, but nothing at all, even remotely approaching any consideration about the actual underlying crimes. Nothing. And we can talk about, you know, Nipplegate and everything. We're going to.
yeah even on that it's like we now have an allegation that the president united states potentially had sex with an underage girl that was part of the the trafficking ring that jeffrey epstein let child trafficking ring but we don't we don't know for sure right all this is uncorroborated but like is that an allegation anyone anyone who works for the president is going to take seriously no we're not we're not gonna we're just gonna figure out how to cut with the fastest way to cover it up best way to cover it up
Yeah. And then the other thing I want to just get to just explicitly is like how insane it is that the attorney general and deputy attorney general in this meeting. And I know that like at this point where we've just become accustomed to the idea that the Justice Department is totally corrupted. But it's great.
I was like thinking when I was reading the story about the Bill Clinton tarmac meeting. You don't remember this. This was during the Obama administration. Hillary's emails are being investigated. Clinton is on the same tarmac as Loretta Lynch in the Justice Department at the time. Bill Clinton. Yeah, Bill Clinton, not Hillary. Right. Gets off his plane, gets on the plane that Lynch is on.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Trump's alleged actions on public perception?
It would have been a death threat. It would have been a thinly veiled death threat over Truth Social. So a total corruption in the Justice Department. Okay. Now that we've got that down, I want to read the section about the nipples.
I think because, you know, it's an uncorroborated accusation and because of the prurient nature of it, I don't feel like it's gotten as much attention in the news as it should. So I'm going to read it. So this is from the Virginia Jeffrey case file. This is a tragic story. She was one of the young girls that worked at Mar-a-Lago and then went and Epstein.
And Prince Andrew and others raped her and assaulted her. She ended up killing herself subsequently. So in that case file, there's another woman, girl at the time, Sarah Ransom. And she wrote this to a journalist. Ransom claimed that she knew a girl in Epstein's sex trafficking ring named Jen who said she had sex with Trump.
Ransom also claimed that Jen had told her that Trump had a predilection for nipples and that he had aggressively flicked and sucked hers. Ransom wrote that she had seen evidence when she shared a bathroom with Jen. They looked incredibly painful. They were red and swollen. And I remember wincing when I looked at them.
So that was discussed in the Situation Room, Trump's alleged nipple attack on a young girl that was in Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring. Yes. Like, I mean, I do feel like there would have been some coverage for that and like a little more, you know, maybe. Would have been higher in the story in other ministries. You think? That's a serious allegation, right? Yeah.
Partly because this was not like Trump in his bachelor days with like a consensual sex if that's like something he was into. Like who cares, right? Like that's his business. It's really his business because like I'd rather not know. Like what his kind of nipple interests are.
If they're in the Epstein files and knowing what happened to Virginia Giuffre and this other girl, like that, then it's they're underage here and this is part of a trafficking thing. And like that is an incredibly serious allegation. And the team in the sit room. They immediately say, oh, it's wrong, right?
Like, oh, she made it up because I guess this woman, Jen, rescinded her some other allegations because she said she was afraid for her life. And so they say, oh, she's not reliable because she recanted some other allegations. So no worries. Let's move on to how we keep this out of the files that we put on the website.
Which goes back to then the incompetence, because by keeping it out of the files that they put on the website, obviously people were going to realize that there were some files that included Trump that were missing from the website. So once again, you have the malevolence and then you have followed by the incompetence. And that's that's the Trump administration in a nutshell.
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Chapter 6: How do the hosts critique the current political landscape?
So you have somebody who's got spanked by Trump. There we go. John Cornyn did an exit interview with Carl Hulse, the New York Times. I want to read a couple of the quotes. After his defeat, he says, it does give some of us a little more freedom and certainly leverage. I didn't realize he didn't have freedom before. I thought he was a United States Senator. He didn't have any agency before.
As the president, I like this too. As the president told President Zelensky when he was in the office a year ago, he said, you don't have any cards. Well, we've got some cards to play. So I guess he was impressed with Trump's cards analogy there. Mr. Cornyn says he reserves the right to choose where I'm going to or going to not defer to Mr. Trump. He still reserves that right.
That's nice as a free man in a free country. He says things are never going to be good enough for Trump other than 100%, you know, slavish adherence to whatever he wants. But obviously that's not what the senator's role is supposed to be. You don't say.
Yeah.
Big John? Big John! Unfortunately, that is the position that I found myself in for the last several years. And what did I do about it? Nothing, really. My final quote, my favorite one. I've always said that former Senators look happier, healthier, and they're certainly more prosperous. So I'm kind of looking forward to what comes next.
So just in case you feel sad for Big Bad John, who got utterly humiliated in the most embarrassing S&M way fashion. He wanted to rename a highway after Trump, pretend like he was reading his book. He had to rub Trump's little tiny toe digits. And he did everything he could to get Trump to love him. And Trump said, I don't care about you. And left him on the side of the road. And now here he is.
And he's like, you know. Good news is I'll get to make money as a lobbyist after this. And so you better know that I'm not going to be too hard on Mr. Trump now. I mean, I might not defer to him totally like I was before, but, you know, I'm going to defer mostly because I do want my calls returned. This is probably off topic of what you're asking about here.
But when I see things like that, it's like, this is why I don't invest a ton of time in like despising people like John Cornyn and thinking that like at some point they are going to retire in some kind of a misery and be all torn up about this. And, you know, like we're rooting against these people because like Donald Trump. But like, you know what? Probably don't.
Donald Trump is going to, at some point, leave office. And no matter how he is remembered and no matter how much of the country turns against him, he is going to be like, well, I'm rich. I think I did great. And he's probably going to die happy. And it's like – so just doing this so that we hope that these people are going to feel bad someday is just like not a good motivation.
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Chapter 7: What humorous takes were shared about Spencer Pratt's political campaign?
I read that interview and I was just like, yeah, I'm not surprised by anything. I'm not surprised by any of this. It is funny they all called us cucks, though. It's like, Carl Hulse might as well have been in a Motel 6 interviewing John Cornyn while he was sitting in a cuck chair while his wife was getting fucked by Donald Trump or Ken Paxton. Like, honestly.
Like, what would have been any different about this interview if that would have happened? That would have been a better scene setting, I guess. The thing that they don't want to say, but is true, and JVL would certainly go here, which is that, like, Their voters prevented them from having a spine and standing up to Donald Trump. Like, that's what Cornyn's saying right now.
He's a free man now because he doesn't have to face his voters, who he clearly believes... A little more freedom. A little more freedom. Because he doesn't have to face his voters, who he clearly believes are slavishly devoted to Donald Trump. And, you know, Trump wants 100 percent agreement.
Chapter 8: What final thoughts did the hosts have on political accountability?
And guess what? So do his core base of voters. And so if you find yourself in that party, like, what are you supposed to do? You either you either agree with Trump or you lose your job and you go make money. And for a while, Cornyn thought, and then some of them, they can do both, right? And Cornyn probably thought he could do both for a while. And then now he realized he can't do both.
And so he's just going to go make money. Reserves the right to choose. Just what? He's just so disgusting. Is that right how you say it? It's slavish, not slavish? Slavish or slavish? I don't know. I pronounce everything wrong. One of the worst parts about being a podcaster is that you find out how many words you don't know how to pronounce, you know? A ton of them.
I guess I was saying scourge wrong. I've been told I was saying scourge wrong. I've received several messages. That's a tough one. Yeah, I know. I received several messages about that one this week. Every week I get messages about different words I pronounce wrong. There's a single hill where I'll die on in defense of Candace.
Which is there's the funny ex-account that makes fun of her for all the words that she mispronounces. And I'm just like, you know. That's how I am. She means she read. She learned the word at some place. It's better than... Anyway, that's my only defense of Candace. The funniest one I have heard recently is on your podcast, our friend Sarah, who calls Rob Flaherty, Flaherty? Flaherty. Farty.
I'm like, it's Flaherty. You've never heard the word Flaherty? No, she's not a fucking Mick like you from Boston. No. Yeah, that's true. Flaherty's was probably like the 10 bars that we went to. Flaherty's is a very common name in Boston. All right, well, let's do a little politics talk.
I have an article out today, a newsletter I sent in for JVL, and I did a big prologue about how I think donating to campaigns is mostly stupid.
and i think having been on the inside of campaigns like a huge percentage of the money is wasted like the most of the like testing and metrics tools people use to determine whether things are effective messaging is like basically like looking at chicken bones and like bringing in a shaman to tell you like what ad is better i like literally i i was like shocked when i sat through a first ad an ad test for the first time and i was like this is how we decide it's like it's
20 random people are like playing video games and then watching an ad and they need to vote on it before they get to continue their video game. And I'm like, nobody knows themselves. It's like, have you ever been to a philosophy class? Like it's hard. It's like, it's a huge journey to actually know yourself to be able to say, I watched this ad and it motivated me. The whole thing is crazy.
And there's no incentive to save money. If you're on a campaign, you got to spend it all. There are a lot of grifters out there. So, Um, usually when people ask me what to donate to, I'm like donate to a food bank or like go treat yourself to a spa day. Um, but like, I understand that that's not satisfying, right.
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