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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Could not be more delighted to welcome for the first time the governor of Maryland, Wes Moore. What's going on, Governor?
Tim, what's going on, man? How you doing?
Man, we're surviving. We're living. We're out here. We talked the first time. I'll admit to you right now on the podcast, I was a little hungover. I forget why. I think I was on my book tour when I was writing a book and I was supposed to interview you. We were on the phone and I was like driving between the Atlanta stop and the Tallahassee stop and I'm hungover.
I'm like, shit, I got to talk to Wes. I got to interview Wes more. Anyway, that was during your 22 campaign. And during that interview, You were kind of talking to me about how the Democrats should kind of recapture this mantle of patriotism. There's a way to do to sell patriotism, progressive patriotism. And that's kind of what I framed the article on.
And so now we're three years later, Trump's back in there. Kamala tried to do a little bit of this. It was a pretty patriotic campaign. I'm just wondering what you think about that. Is that still a fruitful path? Is that still something you're trying to do? Like, where are you at on that?
yeah i mean it's definitely something that i'm doing but we're doing because it's authentic yeah you know what i mean and that's i think got to be the key thing is that people need to know that you're real about it and that you're sincere and the reason we talk about patriotism is not because it's going to win you electoral points it's because you believe it. And I really do.
I believe in this country, flaws and all. I believe in the fact that there's no way you can understand a journey like mine or a journey like my family's and not say there is something special and unique about the United States. and something that I was willing to fight for, willing to lay my life down for. I come from a whole family of people who believe in this country.
So I do believe that we have to be able to embrace this mantra of patriotism. I believe that we can't allow other people to just simply bastardize it the way that it oftentimes happens when it comes to when you're looking at how a lot of MAGA World and Donald Trump and them talk about it. But I do think it's about not just blindly accepting
this country or talking about this country as if its history doesn't matter. I actually think patriotism means saying, no, I'm not going to just sit down. I'm not going to just take it. I'm not just going to allow someone to take the country in the wrong direction. I'm going to fight and I'm going to fight for it. And I think that's actually the most patriotic thing that you can do right now.
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