S2 Ep1020: Bill Kristol: Staring Down the Barrel
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Who are the hosts and guests of this episode?
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Thank you to JVL for sitting in on Friday. How great is David from? Made it easy on him. Congrats also to my brother from another mother, Rory McIlroy, on the Masters win. Big ups to listeners Josh and Jason for the little bonus hospitality at Coachella. And with that, I think there's only bad news left to cover. So I'm going to bring in Bulwark Editor-at-Large Bill Kristol, as is our habit on Mondays. How are you doing, Bill? I'm doing fine. How are you? How was Coachella? It was amazing. It was just so marvelous. Everyone was happy. Gaga was just completely on another level from all the other acts, but we saw a lot of good ones. Amare, Viagra Boys.
I think I would have trouble dealing with all that happiness, but you are a better person than I, and you can turn off the... the world around us and enjoy the happiness for a weekend.
I completely turned it off. The only time my happiness bubble has popped was when Sam Stein was texting me about work stuff or one of the artists, dark side, great artists, but did like a three minute, you know, anti-Trump rant. And I'm like, you know, 30 seconds is sufficient. You know, once you get into the minute for a little much for me, we're trying to escape our dark reality. Speaking of our dark reality, I guess we need to start in El Salvador. which David Frum repeatedly called our only ally on the Friday pod, to my amusement. Close, close enough to true. So we've got President Bukele in D.C. today. I guess we'll be meeting with Trump. The latest in the legal situation with Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.
That's the father in Maryland who was wrongfully sent to Sakat in El Salvador. On Sunday, the government stonewalled the district court judge, filing an update saying it had no updates on And in a separate filing challenge, the Supreme Court's 9-0 order to facilitate Abrego-Garcia's return and added that the details of the deal with Bukele are classified.
What is the controversy surrounding Kilmar Abrego-Garcia's detention?
You know, potentially a big legal showdown here. We'll see kind of what happens with Bukele. But JVL has a pretty alarmist triad, which, you know, I know tickles both of our funny bones. But what do you make of it at The Biggest Picture?
It's terrible. It's terrible what's happened. It's terrible that the government of the United States and the Trump administration are, I guess, defending what's happened or at least professing to be incapable of fixing what's happened or certainly not trying at all hard. even appearing to try hard to fix what's happened. That part, I really can't quite believe. I can believe, what am I saying? But that part is shocking, you know, in a sense. I mean, of course, what's happened is the most shocking thing. But, you know, not even sort of going through the motions of trying to fix what they have acknowledged is an injustice or wrong, which, of course, they could fix in two minutes. I don't think Kelly's not going to say no to Trump if he says it's important to get him back and, you know.
We'll do it in some way to save space for you if you want. But anyway, it's so that's not a bug. That's a feature, right? The unwillingness to rectify the injustice.
Yeah. Oh, no, for sure. And I think. there is kind of a typical political scandal element to this. And obviously Trump is atypical in so many ways, but they've gotten just way out ahead of themselves with their rhetoric about, you know, like this guy is a, you know, MS-13 member, you know, everyone down there is a violent, dangerous criminal. Like once you kind of do that, it makes it harder to
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Who are the hosts and guests of this episode?
0:53–2:51
2
What is the controversy surrounding Kilmar Abrego-Garcia's detention?
2:51–4:47
3
How is the Trump administration handling the Kilmar Abrego-Garcia case?
4:47–9:43
4
What are the implications of President Bukele's stance on returning Kilmar Abrego-Garcia?
9:43–11:20
5
How does the Supreme Court ruling affect the deportation case?
11:20
6
What are the concerns regarding immigration enforcement and its impact on free speech?
5:24–15:00
7
What does Bill Kristol say about the role of enablers in the Trump administration's actions?
15:00–22:26
8
How is Trump’s criticism of the media connected to the broader political climate?
22:26–48:30
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