S2 Ep1034: Derek Thompson: Trump's War on Dolls
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Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. I'm delighted to welcome back staff writer at The Atlantic, author of the Work in Progress newsletter, his latest book you might have heard of. There's only been about 272 podcasts about it. It's called Abundance, co-written with some guy named Desiree Klein. He also hosts the very excellent podcast Plain English. It's Derek Thompson. What's up, man? Hey, man, let's make it 273. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Well, we're going to get to abundance at the end. And, you know, I'm sure we've got some like, you know, bulwark daily sickos who have not listened to your other 272. So we'll do a little bit on it. But we've got some more pressing matters first.
And I would like to begin with what I've been dubbing the Rick Santelli Tea Party rant for the capitalist left. That was you on CNBC. And for those who haven't heard it, let's play it right now.
To be totally honest, Kelly, I've been listening the last 10 minutes of this show. I cannot believe what I'm listening to. I heard your last guest say if the economy shrinks, that's good. If the stock market goes down, that's good. If the housing market crashes, that's good. If there's a trade war, that's good. When did the capital class get taken over by de-growther protectionists seeking 19th century autarky?
It goes on for about two minutes. And literally the CNBC host responds to you like, what are you talking about, Derek? Didn't you say that you wanted housing prices to go down? What is wrong with housing prices? The housing market collapsed. I was like, what am I watching? What happened?
I had an aneurysm on live television, obviously. I was in this chair. This is my chair to have a mental breakdown in, in this very room. And it was funny because you do podcasts all the time. I was actually talking to the producer, like setting up the shot, right? Like setting up this shot, like move a little bit to the left, move a little bit to the right. And I could just hear between her instructions, These little murmurings from, I think it was Kyle Bass, a hedge funder, basically saying like, oh yeah, the stock market goes down. That's great for young people. They'll buy it at a lower price. If the housing market crashes, fantastic. That makes housing prices cheaper. And I kind of expected a little bit of a pushback from CNBC hosts.
And the fact that they weren't pushing back was just slowly making me enraged. I should say, as a matter of framing my mental breakdown here, I had just, not 30, 90 minutes earlier, come back from a two-week book tour. Yeah. So I was tired. I was unwashed. You have nothing to apologize for. I was coming off of a connecting flight. I had to sit at O'Hare for like nine hours in the tarmac. I was feeling pretty punchy. And when I heard these folks essentially cheering the decline of the economy and an impending recession, that's when my head left my body. The buzzing eyes are noticeable.
Now, your eyes are definitely a little bit more normal shapes right now. Yeah. Autarky is my word for the year, though, ever since that. I've been hearing autarky a lot, and it does feel like we're coming back to that. So for our listeners, do you want to educate them on what 19th century autarky was?
Oh, yeah, sure. 19th century autarky just basically means you think that your economy should essentially provide everything that people consume in that economy. So all of the avocados that Americans eat, they should be grown in the U.S. of A., right? All the bananas that Americans eat, they should be grown in the U.S. of A. All of the coffee we consume Should be grown in the US of A. The problem with that, however, is that I don't know if you've ever seen one of those maps of where coffee grows. Basically, none of it grows within the American border. We kind of have to import all the good coffee.
There's some pretty good Duluth beans.
There's some nice beans in Duluth. I don't know. I haven't checked in on northern Minnesota and the quality of their chocolate and coffee. It doesn't seem quite tropical, but maybe give it 35 years. So yeah, you don't want Otaki. It's really cool. when you can drink coffee from Colombia and Indonesia and have apples and bananas that are grown in other countries that we buy.
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