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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1045: Bill Kristol: A New Gilded Age

19 May 2025

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No, the Trump administration is not focused on the forgotten man or bringing industrial jobs back. Instead, the real estate developer is handing out threats left and right—fresh off his Middle East trip, where he scored numerous deals with Islamofascists for himself, his family, and his cronies. And no matter what he says, the 'Palace in the Sky' is for him, once taxpayers pony up all the funds for retrofitting. Meanwhile, House Republicans are attempting to ram through their reconciliation bill—which is a huge debt bomb and is a big reason why Moody's downgraded the credit rating of the United States. Plus, Biden's cancer diagnosis, Epstein's 'absolutely crystal-clear' suicide, Trump proves Springsteen's point, and the administration gladly takes some of Mexico's worst. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller. show notes Jonathan Cohn on the reconciliation bill's Medicaid cuts El Chapo's ex-wife and extended family at the US Southern border Springsteen in Manchester commenting on the current administration

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11.82 - 30.562 Bill Kristol

Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Monday, so I'm here with editor-at-large Bill Kristol, and there's a lot of news to discuss, Bill. How are you doing? I'm doing fine, Tim. And you? You know, I'm doing pretty good, all things considered. We had a pretty devastating Nuggets loss. in game seven.

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30.582 - 32.783 Bill Kristol

Didn't look very close the last time I looked at the score there.

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33.003 - 34.044 Bill Kristol

Wasn't close. Yeah.

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34.204 - 53.731 Bill Kristol

Wasn't close. And I was thinking about what to say about it as we got the news of Joe Biden's pretty concerning prostate cancer diagnosis. And so if people allow me, you know, obviously there's some limits in the comparison between the Denver Nuggets and Joe Biden, but you know, sports in some ways, this facsimile of life, you know, life, Life's a tragedy, right?

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53.871 - 70.196 Bill Kristol

Like we all, it's not just Joe Biden. Like all of us in the end, we're going to die. We're going to decay. And like the challenge is how we find some beauty and fulfillment in the process. Like sports gives us this on the side, but like we have like rules and structure that go along with it. You get to have like one.

70.774 - 85.805 Bill Kristol

actual rewards put in place in the middle of it, which sometimes you don't get in life. But do you know Aaron Gordon, Bill? Yeah, not really. Okay, all right. I'm going to just tell you one side. People will just allow me one minute about Aaron Gordon because we need some people in public life to actually just genuinely admire these days.

86.306 - 104.997 Bill Kristol

He was the best player on a terrible team, his whole career in Orlando. He comes to Denver to be a role player, sacrifices the spotlight he's always had. He's just always happy, always joyful. Reading between the lines of his Instagram, pretty sure he's a Kamala voter. His brother Drew dies in a car crash last year, his older brother and his three young kids.

105.717 - 126.179 Bill Kristol

And so this year, Aaron changes his number to honor his brother. And he brings the kids around all the time. His nephews are around at the games, at the press conferences, sitting in the front. He's nurturing them. You can always see him trying to kind of buck them up. During the playoffs, he hits two miracle game winners and a game-tying three in the first 12 games of the playoffs.

126.9 - 148.571 Bill Kristol

In the penultimate game, he pulls his hamstring, going for a loose ball with like a minute left at the end of the game. It's the type of thing you're supposed to have like a one-month recovery process for. But he decides to play anyway in the deciding game, game seven. And like he's hobbling around out there. He's got 11 rebounds. It's just unbelievable the amount of guts that he's showing.

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