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Chapter 1: What is the significance of Trump's speech for America's 250th celebration?
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Chapter 2: How is the Pentagon being impacted by political purges?
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Chapter 3: What does Tom Nichols say about George Washington's legacy?
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Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show for the 37th time. The most decorated guest in the history of the Bulwark Podcast. He was discussing his enlarged prostate with me in the green room. He's a staff writer at The Atlantic and professor and narratist at the U.S. Naval War College. It's Tom Nichols. How you doing, sir?
Where's my 37 timers jacket? I know they're 50. I feel like at 50, we've got to give you a watch or something.
Chapter 4: How does Trump’s perception of patriotism differ from nationalism?
All right.
And then I was just curious the other day. I was like, who's been on the most? And I put in some names. You've got it. You're the leader of the clubhouse. I am honored. And I also, as I say with genuinely that I always love doing this because it's fun because we always have a good time. Well, we're going to have some fun.
I have for you, and it'll be good the whole time, but I have the final topic category on my outline is silly stuff. So we've got plenty of, there's plenty of that. And I guess the first topic is silly stuff too. So that's just the nature of where we are in our idiocracy. The great American state fair. You stayed up for this last night because you're a glutton for punishment.
Chapter 5: What criticisms does Nichols have regarding Trump's foreign policy?
And Jeffrey Goldberg has you in some reins and he's got a whip. He's kind of like, yes, Nichols, you're staying up for the great American state fair speech. And so you did. I think it was more like, yeah, I'm going to need you to be staying up. That'd be great. Yeah. Did you have a cover sheet on your draft? Yeah, if you could just file that, that'd be great.
No, I mean, I'm kind of the designated night owl for a lot of stuff because I am a night owl. And I said, sure, I'm happy to do it. And also, you know, I have this long history. I kind of pride myself on being a Trump watcher. You know this. I used to live tweet all of his press conferences. So I stayed up and watched it, and it was –
Chapter 6: What insights does Nichols provide about the current state of military leadership?
I mean, it was trashy. The whole business was trashy. And I know that sounds, oh, that's snooty and elitist. But no, it was just trashy. And his speech was small. That's what I wrote about last night. He took this thing that could have been grandiose. I started with a quote from George Washington. Actually, it wasn't a quote. It was from George Washington's last will and testament.
And I think it's really important as the fourth approaches for people to know this, that George Washington in his last, he said, I, George Washington. And he didn't say, you know, father of our country. Great guy. He said, a citizen of the United States.
and lately president of the same for him that was the most important thing to be this to be a citizen you know and he understood like that we were all sharers in this great adventure this great experiment and trump just doesn't understand any of that he made it all about me me me and i got i got no tax on tips
Chapter 7: How does Nichols view the relationship between Trump and the Senate?
And everybody was laughing at us two years ago and now we're hot. And I totally trashed the Iranians, even though that yesterday the Iranians told us to go suck an egg about nuclear inspections. I'm going to get the vandals who hurt the reflecting pool. I mean, it just went on and on, Tim, as little as I think of Stephen Miller.
I don't want to tag him with this speech if it wasn't him, because whoever wrote this, it was a real achievement and crap.
Yeah.
But, you know, the few times that Trump tried to be elevated or that he tried to, you know, be presidential, he said things like from the storied alleys of Boston to the streets of Philadelphia. OK, first of all. Anybody who's lived in Boston, there's no such thing as these storied alleys of Boston. They have some stories and we won't tell them. Yeah.
But to the streets of Philadelphia, I'm sorry, wasn't that a Bruce Springsteen song about a movie about a guy with AIDS? You know, I mean, it just went on and on, you know, skyscrapers and railroads and Normandy and Saratoga. But then he would go right back to the really petty, small streets. You know, look at me, look what I did.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of Trump's financial dealings related to the war?
And I'll finish with one serious comment, which is that it shows that Trump and his people, they don't understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism. That patriotism is love of one's country for itself, for what it is, for its eternal characteristics. Nationalism is my tribe is better than all other tribes, right? And that's the only way Trump can conceive of this.
He kept saying, we're better than everybody else. We're the hottest. We're the biggest. We're the best. He can't just say America is worth our loyalty and our love because of the great thing that it is that makes you so proud to simply say, I'm a citizen of the United States the way George Washington did. I'm a sucker for that. I'll be cloying for a second.
One of the first things after I finished being a political hack and started doing journalism and writing, one of the first things I wrote about, I wish I'm going from memory now, but it was about how there's like a disagreement between Washington and Adams. Adams wanted him to be called something like his excellency. or something ridiculous. I remember that.
But it was something like, it started with His Highness, you know, the protector of the American people and their rights, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Correct. And Washington's like, no, Mr. President. Mr. President will be fine. Yeah. And there is something really moving about that, about what the country is supposed to be and what we should be aspiring to and what the office is supposed to be.
I mean, it goes without saying, our president has... literally no respect for interest in or the opposite. It's kind of surprising to me that he hasn't tried to rename it, frankly, that might, I hate to give him that idea. Let's not, let's not speak that one into reality.
And, and, you know, just to put in a nice word for Adams and when Adams was beaten by his worst enemy, who got people to publish stuff about him, like maybe he's a hermaphrodite, you know, just in case you think our elections were always nasty. I mean, MBS, I also think might be a hermaphrodite. I don't know. I just, that's something that I've, I've heard.
Well, okay, I'm going to leave that one right where it fell and say, you know, what did he do? He, like all good presidents, he packed up his stuff. And he moved out of the White House and he went back to his farm and said, OK, I'm done being president. Thank you very much.
I'm going to, you know, Trump does not understand that Trump thinks that America is great because he is great and he made it great. You know, there's a metaphor that I didn't want to use in the piece, but it's it's sort of like Trump. It's like marriage. You look at your spouse and you say, I love this person because of who he or she is, just because this is the only one for me.
This is because it's a wonderful person that I know deeply in love. Trump's like the guy who says, you know, my wife's prettier than all those dogs. Yeah. You know, well, that that lasts right up until, you know, you put on a few pounds or you get a few wrinkles. It's this very superficial love of country that says, as long as I'm making it great. Then it's worth loving.
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