13 The Two Intruders | What the jury didn’t hear
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An overseas undercover operation, why we never heard from a key witness, and application after application to abandon the trial. These are just some of the secrets that were kept from the jury for more than two months as they tried to decide who killed Irma. I'm Stephen Stockwell. Welcome to episode 13 of The Case of the Two Intruders.
Irma Palacic's brutal murder rocked her family and has haunted them for 24 long years. This wasn't the average robbery. The brutality of the attack shocked the community. They were virtually tortured that night.
Violently assaulted before the two men ransacked the premises and stole cash and jewellery. My grandparents were beaten and my grandmother was left to die on the lounge room floor. The jury in the trial of Steve Fabrizzi and Joseph Ficone has found they were guilty of the manslaughter of Irma Palacic. And now the jury has reached that decision, we can tell you what they weren't told during the trial. To help, we have the keeper of the secrets, ABC court reporter Elizabeth Byrne. Welcome, Liz. Hello, Stockie. And as well as Liz, who has her own secret that we'll reveal at the end of this episode, we're also joined by ABC investigative reporter James Viver. G'day, James.
Hey, Stockie.
There is so much to discuss in this episode, so much that you didn't hear. There are so many questions we couldn't answer during the trial. I mean, we've already knocked over the big one, or the Mr. Big One, if you will, with Alicia and Liz in the episode that we put out last week, and it's had a great response from so many of you. But there were lots of others as well we couldn't dive into. I think the biggest one was around the amount of money the Palacics kept in their house. You know, $100,000 and $30,000 was stolen from them in two separate cases. burglaries, and people wanted to know why there was so much cash kept in the house. And also the Hungarian connection, if you will, you know, the Polasics are Hungarian, Steve Fabrizi, Joseph Oconee, also Hungarian.
What was the link between them? Liz, what can we say about that?
Well, I think that's the big unanswered question. And I think if there was a third person involved, it's the person who told them. But then it doesn't look like the cash was shared with anyone else because Vakoni, as we know, took $30,000. And Fabrizi says he got $12,000 of it. I mean, they might have given something to someone else. Who knows?
What secrets were kept from the jury during the Irma Palacic trial?
But that was something that raised a question in my mind. There was a little bit of evidence from Fabrizi. Well, part of the conversation Fabrizi had with undercover officer Danny was where he talks about someone who knew them who lived in Melbourne talking to their husband about it and then the husband telling Vakoni. It might have been inadvertent. The third person may not have known what they triggered. We can speculate all we like, but that is the big unanswered question as to how they knew Vakoni that the cash would be there perhaps in the first instance because remember um 1998 they the colony it has been found guilty of being there uh we don't know what happened in 1997 when the large amount of money was gone we don't know who was responsible for that but somebody knew about that and whoever communicated with them knew they'd moved house so that's the that's the big question
Yeah, and it's less about the Hungarian-ness of them per se, all of the people involved. And the sense I get is it's more that it's just they were a part of a community that just happened to be Hungarian, if that makes sense.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–3:11
2
What secrets were kept from the jury during the Irma Palacic trial?
3:11–7:13
3
What was the significance of the undercover operation in Hungary?
7:13–10:45
4
How did the Palacic family's history impact the trial?
10:45–14:00
5
What were the main arguments for a mistrial in the Irma Palacic case?
14:00–18:33
6
Who were the key witnesses that never testified in the trial?
18:33–22:38
7
What role did the defense barristers play in the trial?
22:38–26:23
8
How did the jury's verdict reflect on the evidence presented?
26:23–27:48
Speakers
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