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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Ten police went to arrest Desi Freeman for child sexual abuse in August last year. Only eight of them left. What happened that morning in remote northern Victoria has haunted police and the community for months, and it will now be examined at a coronial inquest. I'm Stephen Stockwell, and a content warning for this episode.
We're going to be describing some distressing scenes and repeating some offensive language.
welcome to the case of police were serving a search warrant as part of a sex crime investigation when freeman opened fire killing a 59 year old detective and 35 year old senior constable mr freeman is a so-called sovereign citizen who believe the government and the courts are illegitimate the two officers were gunned down in poor punker their names now etched in victoria police's honor wall
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Chapter 2: What led to the police shooting in Porepunkah?
Again, for those unfamiliar with the area, it's about a 10-minute drive back from Bright to Pawpungka toward Wangaratta.
Great. Okay. Thank you, Ash. And I mean, you've got details of the number of officers involved, I think 10 officers involved in total, and also some more details of Freeman's alleged offending as well. I mean, you've mentioned that the Wangaratta Child Sexual Offence Unit is part of this group executing this warrant. The warrant was to search the property for child abuse material.
And am I right in thinking this started because there was a disclosure from a child of a sexual assault by Freeman?
Yeah, so in the days following the shooting, we had heard a few details about why police were there and details around that warrant. But yesterday, we really got some more finer details.
And as you mentioned, that was including that in June of last year, police received a disclosure in respect to an alleged sexual assault involving a child under the age of 16, as well as an attempt to involve a child in the production of child abuse material.
So the purpose of that search warrant was to find and seize any electronic devices that were to be interrogated for the potential presence of child abuse material. And while they were there, they also planned to arrest and interview Freeman as part of that investigation.
Yeah. And that's the reason, yeah, everyone is at this property. You know, the scene that you started us with talking about police entering the bus that Freeman was living in, that was after they'd been at the property for about half an hour or so. What happened when police arrived in the first instance?
Yeah, so police arrive at Rayner Track that the property is on in a convoy. Now, again, for context, I've been up that track. It's quite narrow and the property sits at the very end of the track and the driveway has an electronic gate. Now, when those police officers have arrived, that gate was locked. So a decision was made for five of the officers to go into the property on foot and
while another three took a police vehicle and they accessed the property via a nearby lane. Two other police stayed with the car at the front of the driveway at the gate. Now, as the five officers made their way to that bus where the Freemans were living, they saw his wife, Amalia. She went back into the annex.
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Chapter 3: What details emerged from the coronial inquest about the shooting?
He argues with the police. He refuses to come out. He tells them that they can go to hell, that the search is illegal and that he doesn't recognise their law. At one stage, he said that he was going to appeal that search warrant in the Supreme Court during some of that back and forth.
Yeah, that really stuck out to me. Can you do that?
I'm really not sure if you can, but we do know that Freeman already had quite a fractured relationship with the law before August last year. So in 2021, he was involved in an attempt to have the former Victorian Premier, Daniel Andrews, tried for treason and fraud.
Three years later, he told the Supreme Court that he and his family were the victims of malicious prosecution and a personal vendetta after he was stopped for speeding out the front of a fish and chip shop. So it is certainly a method that he has used before.
Okay. I mean, I think a fractured relationship with the law is an interesting way to describe Freeman. We should flag that he has actually changed his name. He was originally known as Desmond Philby. Counsel assisting mentioned this at the start of the hearing earlier this week.
I mean, Ash, there is this back and forth with Freeman, his wife and Andrew Swift and the police, you know, not letting police onto the bus that he was living in. How do they end up getting in?
Yeah, so we heard that they made multiple attempts to coax the Freemans out. Desi refused. At one stage, a police officer went onto the top, the roof of the bus to try to get in, and that was unsuccessful. And after about half an hour, the police called a supervisor to get permission to essentially break into the bus.
That was granted and it was at that point that Detective Thompson was able to remove a Perspex piece of glass that was at the top of the bus door. So he was able to get that glass off and then enter the bus feet first. And it's as he enters into the bus when his body goes in that he is shot in the side of the face and we heard voices.
from the council assisting that at that point he immediately collapses. Then there was one officer standing directly behind Detective Thompson and he has yelled gun and ran and behind him was Senior Constable Devart Hotart who had also turned to run but Freeman fired a second time hitting him.
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Chapter 4: How did the police prepare for the arrest of Desi Freeman?
After hearing the evidence from Counsel Assisting, I assume that this contact has seen that initial convoy of police going from Bright to Pawpunka. So they've seen that and they've called and they've just said to me, hey, Ash, you know... Seems to be a lot of police in the Bright area. Not sure what's going on.
Maybe it's, you know, something I just thought I would let you know, but there seems to be an unusual amount of police here. So I sort of jumped off the phone and I had a quick chat to my acting editor and then I called some other contacts. No one really knew much. And then I called a police station and the response I got from them was they couldn't tell me anything, but I just...
I got a feeling that things were a bit frantic, which is unusual when I usually call them. So it was enough for me to sort of, you know, my journal gut to go, okay, there might be something happening. So I sort of packed up the gear. I'm a video journalist, so I packed up my camera. And we made the decision that I would just go and see what was happening. It's about an hour drive.
So I think I got there just after about 1130. But on my drive there, I was actually being passed by police with their lights and sirens going because they were coming from Wodonga as well. So when I did get there. It was quite chaotic. There was police everywhere. I got out of the car and two police officers sort of ran at me and were telling me to leave, to get out of there.
It wasn't the time to be filming because I got my phone out and immediately started filming. And then once I sort of explained to them who I was and that I was from the media, they were a bit more receptive. So I was there pretty early on in the incident.
Yeah, it would have been just incredibly confronting being in a situation like that with what I can imagine were police that were pretty frustrated that there was anybody in the way at all as they were trying to work out what had happened and track down Desi Freeman.
I mean, when you were listening to the evidence on Monday, did you find yourself reflecting and having more of an understanding of what they were dealing with at the time?
Yeah, I could see when I got there and the two police officers that first approached me and my colleagues weren't that far behind me. So I wasn't there by myself for too long. And as you can imagine, like the media really started to roll in. But I could see that one of the police officers and I actually know her. I've been covering this area for 10 years.
So like she was familiar to me, but I could see that she was visibly upset about At the time, I had no idea what was what was going on because it was still so early. But I guess it was enough for me to know that it was something serious. And by that point, the air wing had arrived as well. And it was hovering really low over the paddock, not far from where I was.
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Chapter 5: What happened during the execution of the search warrant?
By not locking in, they really have a bit of flexibility given the amount of evidence that will have to be gathered for this full coronial inquest. But it is likely that it will be early next year that we do hear the full inquest.
Okay, Ash. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of time to go. But I mean, we spoke about the community and how the community was feeling in our episode on Tuesday. How's the police feeling? How are the family and friends of these officers coping at this stage with this process just kicking off?
Yeah, so it's for the community. They were really ready to move on. They wanted to sort of distance themselves from these shootings. But for the family and friends, particularly the friends of Detective Thompson, who I've spent a lot of time with over the past year, few months. They say this won't bring him back but it will provide some closure.
It's particularly hard for them when something happens, an arrest is made or an inquest is on that it sort of all gets brought up again. So they are really looking forward to things coming to an end finally. One of his friends sort of said to me that hopefully Neil will finally be able to rest in peace and
at the end of this because it hasn't felt like it has been able to while Freeman was still on the run, while arrests haven't been made or while an inquest is still ongoing.
Yeah, absolutely.
Ash, thanks so much for joining us for these episodes this week, for helping break down what happened at the Cronial Inquest Directions hearings, the whole start of this process for these two inquiries, and also for taking us to the northeast of Victoria and giving us an understanding of what it was like when all this unfolded and that local knowledge that you've brought us over these last couple of episodes.
My pleasure. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Also, you might have seen some reporting that Victorian courts are preparing to consider Erin Patterson's appeal of her triple murder conviction. The court hasn't confirmed a date or anything yet, but we will keep a close eye on that for you.
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